What do you think?

Do you think Haley's system will work with the Steeler organization and Ben. I know this is only his second year but I really do not think a lot of the team is buying into the full system. And that seems pretty apparent with the way they are playing on the offensive side of the ball. Just sayin.

 

Maybe the question(s) we should be asking, what all happened between the 1st 9 games of last year (6-3 record) with Haley's system and now?

 

Good question. I mean we all know Ben was injured last year and we thought that was what made the difference. But what about this year?

 

I might miss a couple, but these are the main things that come to mind ...
1. Ben's injury
2. Heath's injury
3. Mike Wallace gone
4. O-Line personnel changes
5. New O-Line Coach
6. Various RB's injuries, changes, etc
7. Pouncey's injury

 

I don't think Ben can do things the way Haley wants them done. I'm thankful for all that Ben has done but he's not a fundamental QB. The guy isn't going to make it very much longer because I think he struggles with the basics like reading the d and getting the ball out quickly. He just looks flat out lost when he's asked to do something besides sand lot football.

 

And these are the reasons why its not working. It worked fine for the first part of last year and then all these things happen. I'm not a big Haley supporter but there is your proof.

 

This is just flat out, wrong!

DEN: 22/44 - 245 - 2 TD - 1 INT
NYJ: 24/31 - 275 - 2 TD - 0 INT
OAK: 36/49 - 384 - 4 TD -0 INT
PHI: 22/38 - 220 - 1 TD - 0 INT
TEN: 24/40 - 363 - 1 TD - 1 INT
CIN: 27/37 - 278 - 1 TD - 1 INT
WSH: 21/30 - 222 - 3 TD - 0 INT
NYG: 21/30 - 216 - 1 TD - 1 INT

I don't think Ben was every really healthy after KC last season. So prior to that he was averaging 275 yards per game and had 15:4 TD to INT ratio.

Even including the games he didn't seem 100% he finished with 26 TD to 8 INT.

 

I agree with you Rambo. He is like a ball lost ball in the high weeds.

 

I think it could work but I don't think it will. I think the issues with the oline will prevent it from working. It is like trying to use square pegs for round holes. You might get away with it for a little bit but eventually it is not successful long term. With zero threat of a running game and the lack of ability to complete a long ball defenses are sitting close to the line of scrimmage waiting for the crossing patterns etc.

 

SBD I agree that before he was injured he was on pace for an MVP type season. That fact just makes all the more confusing. Maybe teams started to adjust to Haley's system. I know when Ben came back vs San Diego he was back to that wreckless style of play and he has been awful ever since. The line is bad but you can't expect them to hold their blocks for 7 seconds.

 

Ugh. I get so overwhelmed reading these posts. Not anyone's fault on here- Im just saying I read a post and say to myself "yes, that's the problem" and then I read the next one and its a totally different issue and Im thinking that could be it too. Truth is its SEVERAL things (like Scruff said) and its completely overwhelming. I dont know when it will ever be fixed.

 

Yes, this is true.

 

They started losing games. And once that ball got rolling, there was no stopping it. When you have no leadership and a HC that doesn't take charge, things fall apart quickly. Everything's always fine when you win. But when you lose, the bickering begins. We're seeing that now. I actually feel bad for Haley. I don't think he's a bad coordinator. But there's a revolt going on.

 

In other words, Ben is incapable of playing the QB position at the NFL level. Not sure how that's Haley's fault.

 

I do know that before Ben was injured there was not alot of negative talk regarding Haleys system. The short dink and dunk plays seem to have been working and Ben was upright more often ..

Bman

 

Is Haley the problem? Because we had a lot of the same exact complaints when Arians was the OC. Same issues. Incapable of sustaining drives and putting points on the board. Incapable of running the ball. And bad play calling.

Difference is, the players liked Arians.

I don't think the problem is the OC. The problem is the players, the talent level, and a QB who, quite frankly, has rocks for brains.

 

Everyone of the players especially Ben loved Arians. The bottom line is the O was just as underwhelming and erratic as it is now. How many OCs should we go through before we find the right one that Ben "likes". Maybe we should wait til Arians gets fired then we can go back to that explosive offense we once had............Not.

 

I can't honestly remember, anyone recall how Ben and Whiz got along??

 

Not even close. I think some of you are forgetting how dominant our defense used to be and that had a huge impact on our offense. The defense isn't as dominant and the offense is exposed. Ben is the ringleader and the franchise QB. Whose side do you think our WRs would be on. Players play. Coaches coach. As soon as some of these guys realize this the better off we will be. When given the opportunity to execute our players are dropping the ball,literally and figuratively. Stop the stupid mistakes first and watch the wins star to add up. Who would be our choice to come in and replace Haley 2weeks into the season. The way this team is acting and playing you would be crazy to put your name on this. These guys need to look in the mirror and see what they can do to fix this. Blaming the OC for everything is a cop-out for everybody.

 

several of those teams early last year were struggling at the time we played them and we ran the ball against most of them too. that also went away.

one of the most important things to running this type of offense that haley does, is TE's. big targets. heath had his best year. we need big targets to move the chains and the small fast guys to break them for medium and longer throws when the defense comes around the line. the run game helps that too. we don't have 2/3 of this equation working right now.