Wallace vs Brown

Brown can blow the top off of a defense and every defensive coordinator knows that. Sanders isn't as fast as Wallace or Brown, but he's got plenty of speed. He's a threat. We're better with Wallace, but hardly crushed without him. The good QBs tend to make receivers better, too. When have Antwaan Randle El, Cedrick Wilson, Wes Welker, and Deion Branch been successful? Exactly.

 

Amen brother, life does go on. Just as the Steelers will go on.
Every body is replaceable. The Steelers are bigger than any player.
Some people need to recognize this.

 

Chuck would say Wallace who? Like he said about Franco Harris, Franco Who?

 

Tomlin pretty much said the same thing a few pressers ago.

 

I agree .. You have to go with who you have and try to put the Wallace ordeal behind otherwise its a distraction for the other players.

I would like to have Wallace back as much as the next person but not at the price of sacrificing the morale of the team..

 

Wallace is no way worth what he is asking.....STEELERS signed their BEST WR to a 5 year deal with Brown!!!

 

Sanders is the BEST route runner of the bunch according to everything I've read and he still has 4.4ish speed. To me, that's more effective than somebody likeWallace who has 4.2ish straight line speed but is not a proficient route runner.

 

So you think Plax (a 35-year old WR who knows absolutely nothing about Haley's system) would be a better fit than Wallace (a 26-year old burner who at least has Haley's playbook)?

 

From the reports coming out of camp, and from their performance in the first preseason game, our 2nd level WR's aren't exactly lighting it up out there. If that keeps up we may have to make room for both wallace and plax. Imagine a receiving corps of wallace, brown, cotchery, sanders and plax, with tyler beiler thrown in for good measure! Unstoppable!

 

Wallace=Plax
Brown=Ward
Do you remember how that turned out?! One is a future HOFer and one is looking for a job.

 

no, he's a 35 y.o. wr that knows absolutely nothing about smith & wessons system.

 

I thought that Sanders was the one behind Wallace with the most speed and then Brown. We are talking about fractions of a second here I know, but that was the order I remember.

 

Sanders and Brown are probably pretty damn close to each other. That would be a fun race to watch. In my mind their as good as tied, although if we're looking at hundredths of a second I'd probably give the edge to Sanders, like you. Sanders is also probably quicker side to side as well, hence the superior route running, but Brown and Wallace are still both better with the ball in their hands since they are considerably better at breaking tackles.

 

How awesome would a race between Wallace, Brown, Sanders, Taylor and Rainey be. It might be in that order.

 

they are all 3 fast and within a blink of an eye with each other. they are all plenty fast enough to get deep. there aren't to many corners or safeties that can waste a false step and still run with them. i don't think cotch is that slow either. he's faster then hines was. the backups have some giddyup too. no worries about speed, they have added speed and brains team wide.

 

From what I have been reading about Wallace, that blink makes a world of difference to DC's, apparently Wallace is freaky fast.[/quote:1dzo04nz]
Yup.

 

Taylor is still fast, but not blazing anymore. I would love to see 2006 Taylor racing against 2011 Wallace.

Tom Shaw (http://triblive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/s_635267.html) said Ike was the fastest he ever coached. That included Deion Sanders and Chris Johnson. At his pro day he clocked in a hand held 40 time of 4.18, and at the age of 29 ran an electronically timed 4.26. And you know he was faster before that. It's a shame there isn't a ton of tape of Ike displaying this speed, because he mostly played having to slow down in order to stay with the receivers he was covering, and when it comes to tracking down guys he wasn't covering, he can be lazy. I don't know how many times I yelled at the TV that if only Ike had gotten on his horse he could have stopped a touchdown. I'll get to why he didn't do it more often in a little bit... There are a few examples, though:

In the 2005 loss to the Colts, he bit BADly on a play action on the opening play, and was absolutely left in the dust by Marvin Harrison (who ran a very fast 4.38 at the combine and was still in his prime). Ike was 5 yards behind at the 50, 4 yards behind at the 40, 3 at the 30, and 2 at the 20. Unfortunately he shuts it down around the 15 yard line so we don't get to see the full effect, but there are a few seconds where you can really see him close the gap with Harrison, who you better believe was running his fastest.

[youtube:24g6ffhg]18CCFLgvkvs[/youtube:24g6ffhg] Play starts at 7:16. Like many things, it's more impressive if you squint for some reason.

In 2009, during our impressive 8+ games with a return allowed for a touchdown, Jamaal Charles (4.36 40 yard, 10.18 100 meter -- Olympics!!!) took one to the house. Ike dives for him early and misses, gets up and chases. He doesn't come close at all, but like the last one, there is about one moment where he looks like he's gliding on the grass and everyone else is walking. He looks like he's hiding rollerblades under there or something. Unfortunately Ike is out of the frame for most of his chase, but he does have a few strides at 100%. From composite angles we can see that Ike only gained about two yards of ground on Charles from the time Charles gets up to full speed (because he slows down for a bit). But what you can only see from the last angle is that during that sprint, Charles is running in almost a perfectly straight line, and Ike runs a few yards sideways one way, and then back the other, to go around traffic.

[youtube:24g6ffhg]qE-pxwxUxNY[/youtube:24g6ffhg] Around 15 seconds in, keep your eyes on the bottom right corner of the screen.

It occurs to me that in both of these situations, Ike had made a mistake. He kicked it up a notch to try and correct his errors. On the one hand, it's nice that Ike isn't a showoff about his speed. We heard all about Fast Willie Parker, and there's no question Ike was faster than him. On the other hand, I wish he'd have used that extra gear he had more often instead of just when he was the one that messed up. I assume he's unable. Some people need extra motivation. His speed is also the reason I would always get so pissed when he'd dive after a player like he did Charles. Why dive? You're faster than everyone. Just run alongside him and tackle him until he falls down.

Anyway, just felt like sharing. It's important to remember when watching those that the men he was chasing weren't nobodies and they weren't just a little fast. They were accustomed to being the fastest men on the field. We hear about Willie Parker, Stefan Logan (who Ike also destroys on the 2nd video) and receivers, but from 2003 to 2009 or so we had the fastest man in the league and barely anyone knew.

 

From what I have been reading about Wallace, that blink makes a world of difference to DC's, apparently Wallace is freaky fast.[/quote:6pytw5fy]

if he didn't have to slow up and wait for most balls, it would make a difference.

 

For some strange reason I didn't really enjoy watching either of those videos.

 

Ill pass on Plax at the vet min.

Wallace, sign me up for anything at or under 3.3M.

 

i'm really suprised arnez battle hasen't been called back. he's not a bad receiver, for your #5 guy. he's not been overly beat up in his career and is familiar with the team.

 

Wallace is awesome but I personally like AB better. However maybe AB was able to be so good because teams had to sort of "pick their poison". No matter how good a guy is as an individual it's still a team sport and it takes all 11 really. I just think that the guy that gets the numbers also tends to get the glory. I mean how many people say "Wow that offensive linemen really held down the fort so that great route could develop"? Really Wallace should be giddy to come back if Ben is gonna spend more time upright and in the pocket this year. That can really only mean good things for him.

 

bottom line is wallace had 8 TD's being the double covered guy, to browns 2 TD's being the singlely covered guy. say what you will but yards don't win ballgames. together our receiving corp would be deadly. they are not as good without him, if you ask me. he's at least worth browns money and actually more. he has TD production as a bargaining tool over browns money. i just think they want to use him for cheap this year.

 

I'd really like to see him get a long term deal done, of course, he needs to show up in order for that to happen. Imagine how many championships we could still get so long as Ben is the QB. Wallace is still going to get better, same with Brown, same with Sanders. Bottom line, Mike needs to, show up so that he can get paid. Otherwise, I expect the Steelers to maintain their position.