Trade for Wallace

So now that we inked Antonio to a new deal and Bouchette and Dulac are saying Wallace will not get a new deal now we need to figure out who are possible trade partners.

Let's face it Wallace will not play for the 2.7 mill until he has to and we don't want the distraction throughout the year. Plus there is no way with the distraction this has been that we would ever consider franchising him next year even if he showed up this year.

Now we will probably get a 3rd rd pick if we lose him in free agency, so we have to get something better in order to trade and the team will probably also have to feel confident they can get a contract done.

What does everyone think of all this? Who do you think would be a good trade partner and what could we get?

I like the St. Louis Rams. They just picked up a bunch of extra picks from the RG3 trade and are desperate for a solid WR with having a young star QB. They signed Brandon Lloyd but he is not the answer. I also beleive they have some money to spend. I honestly think we could get a 1st rd pick from them, we may have to throw in a 3rd rd pick of our own, but i'd like that deal.

 

Makes sense to me because of what the Rams got from the RG III deal. Also, there is a chance that Rookie WR Tony Clemons might pan out for us. He is tall and fast, so we must hope that he sticks on the roster and puts in work if Wallace sits for 10 games. As I have stated before, Wallace has made a big mistake by not coming to camp. At this point after the AB extention he knows it and probably will not come in hoping for a trade. IMHO, I think the Steelers should move on and try to trade him before the season starts and get what they can get for him now because I think he is to big headed and stubborn to cooperate. He is probably pissed off about the Brown extension thinking that it was his money.

The Steelers will have the last laugh in this situation. Besides, Hines Ward told him last year, Ike Taylor told him that football doesn't need Wallace, Wallace needs football, and Tomlin said this week that football is bigger them Wallace, even bigger then himself!

How much clearer can it be for Wallace?

 

So let me get this straight.....for months...the press has said the Steelers need to sign Wallace, and then next year get deals done with Brown, and Sanders........but now that Brown has a deal......No way they can sign both Wallace and Brown?


HACK

 

I've been sitting here shaking my head thinking the same thing.

 

sl has the pics from the rg III trade

 

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/5329/mike-wallace


Ed Bouchette of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette confirms the Steelers will not be giving unsigned restricted free agent Mike Wallace a long-term deal after committing $42.5 million to teammate Antonio Brown.
Bouchette's colleague, Gerry Dulac, essentially said the same thing. The Steelers were already one of the NFL's tightest teams up against the salary cap, and the Brown deal increased his cap cost, if only slightly. Still, the Steelers won't be satisfying Wallace's long-term demands, and he'll have to sign his one-year, $2.742 million tender in order to play football in Pittsburgh. The organization could consider trading him before the season, or keeping him if he caves and franchise-tagging Wallace in 2013. Jul 27 - 8:24 PM
Source: Ed Bouchette on Twitter

I think Steelers fans were thinking wallace would sign a deal close to what antonio got and antion would get less. We know Wallace wont take less. Hack give me a deal that you think would fit in the Cap and that Wallace would take?

As for the sign and trade, i think Wallace would be willing to sign the tender if he knew a trade was happening.

 

Just saw this...

Gerry Dulac of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette cautions "do not be surprised if Steelers trade Mike Wallace during training camp."We fully expect the Steelers to listen to offers now that they no longer believe they can sign Wallace to a long-term deal. Dulac reports the team's brass called Drew Rosenhaus, agent for Antonio Brown, hours after Wallace failed to report for the start of camp. Rosenhaus and the Steelers then spent two days hammering out a deal for Brown while Wallace twisted in the wind. The franchise proved two years ago with the Santonio Holmes trade that they won't hesitate to make an example of a player who won't get with "Steeler-Way." Jul 28 - 12:59 AM

 

Cap Space this year but not in the years to come.

Here is the breakdown on the Brown deal...

Brown gets a signing bonus of $8.5 million plus a base salary of $540,000 in 2012. In 2013, he receives a $2.5 million roster bonus and a $2 million base salary.

In 2014, the salary increases to $6 million. It stays at $6 million in 2015 before increasing to $8.25 million in 2016. Finally, he receives $8.71 million in 2017.

What kind of deal would work with the Steelers cap situation that Mike Wallace would take? I don't think he will sign anything less than 5 years 50 mill (who knows, maybe much more) and i doubt we can afford that.

 

Honestly..I have no idea what Wallace numbers would be...but it cracks me up that on Thurs....It was all Wallace this year...and Brown next....but on Friday its....signing Brown means no Wallace.


I trust Douchette and Gulac as far as I can throw them.

HACK

 

he's pissed them off hack. if wallace would have signed and got to camp for the money brown got, they could have tendered brown next year. they could also tender sanders next year only costing the team around 3 mil. for each. it would give them an extra year under the current cap to wait until the end of 2013 when several high priced players would become free agents, knocking the cap money down and the new tv money cap number would have been added. they now have brown under his rookie contract for this year and next year his first year of his new contract is manageable. again it free's them up until the end of 2013. the only one that will need tendered is sanders next year now. that will depend on how healthy he stays this year and what he does on the field. it gives them time. wallace needed to sign this year. he wouldn't. so they are moving on knowing next year is also going to be tight.

 

More from Bouchette

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/5329/mike-wallace

The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette estimates restricted free agent Mike Wallace wouldn't net the Steelers more than a fourth-round pick in a trade.
Beat writer Ed Bouchette bases his guess on the fact that no one was willing to surrender a first-round pick for Wallace in the offseason, and because Pittsburgh could net only a fifth-round pick when it dealt Santonio Holmes in April 2010. Holmes, of course, was facing a four-game suspension at the time. If one of the league's best young deep threats in Wallace is truly available for trade, it's hard to believe many teams wouldn't at least consider parting with a second- or third-round pick. Jul 28 - 9:36 AM
Source: Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

 

you've never heard of "secret negotiations"?

 

it wasen't just about the first round pick for other teams. it was a first round pick and wallace wanting top money too. that's alot to give for one guy. wallace also showed when double covered he wasen't as much of a threat late in the season last year.

 

here's the secret, " mike we have a guy that's just a step slower then you but still faster then most guys on the field" ...." we also have another guy that works his butt off and can do alot of different things for us, so we paid him"......" you sign the tender in week 10, grab a clipboard and have a seat over there by steely and enjoy the game".

 

This is what I don't get. It doesn't seem in any team's interests to offer us higher than a third for Wallace. They know the situation. If they know the Steelers want rid, and Wallace wants paying, they'll be going in as low as possible. The only way that draft picks would go up would be if there were more than one team involved, and the Steelers got to choose.

 

It's all about the steelers dont negotiate with holdouts, MW was holding out on OTAs and that ended the contract negotiations with him. They wanted him to sign that stupid 2.7 mill tender and he wouldnt sign it, if he had signed it early on, made the OTAs, this contract Brown received would have been his. It's that simple, and now he has one choice, sign the tender or sit at home for the rest of the season. I dont think the steelers will even lift a finger to trade him after he signs that tender, this is a team that traded their 1st round pick WR Holmes away for a 5 pick for a different reason but the principle is the same, the steelers take care of their players who stay clean and dont cause waves during contract negotiations, so MW messed this up and now he has to live with it....

 

They aren't going to trade Wallace.

 

The Holmes situation was much different than this because he was in trouble therefore facing the 4 game suspension and risking missing a year if he ever got caught again. Plus he showed immaturity in the other things he was doing that offe They got right around fair value considering all of that. Maybe they could have gotten a 4th if they would have negotiated more but at that point they just wanted to get rid of him and were going to just cut him.

Now i find it very hard to believe that a team would not give up at least a 2nd round pick for Wallace. The fact that no one signed him to a contract before the draft and gave up their first round pick is really irrelevant now because the teams that would be good canidates to sign him would had higher picks and would not give those up. Also, a team is much more willing to give up a pick before the season for next year than right before the draft. It seems like the value of picks goes down after the draft and before the season. Plus teams are always optomistic with how they will do before the season and would rahter give up a pick then that before or during a draft when they know what the pick is. So now is the time to get the most value.

Lets face it the reason we can't afford Wallace is because he wants a lot of money and we have too good of a team to give that to him because we pay all of our other good guys. There are plenty of teams that will give him what he wants and can afford that.

 

A some-what young quality LG (and a pick?)?
Which would leave no glaring weakness on the offense.

Then concentrate next year's draft on defense, which will need it.

 

Another one to consider. Wallace for MJD. MJD is holding out but his contract is only 2 years 9mill. we could probably get him for 3-4 years and actually be able to afford him. He would want to play for a winner rather than the Jags. I heard the going trade for MJD would only be a 2nd or 3rd rd pick