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Kelee's shortcomings are his stiffness but that is not the only major problem. Part of the reason why I believe he is best suited as a man based corner is not just predicated on his speed but his instincts and abilities to contest catches when the ball is in the air. Could he be a zone based Corner?!.... It's possible... but for him to be effective.. you HAVE TO have him be physical at the line of scrimmage. It is not the recovery speed that scares me but the overall lack of change of direction; doubly so when many of today's double moves in routes are in such quick succession.


It is due to this that I would rather punt on a CB at pick 17 for the time being for I have all but given up on Joey Porter Jr even coming close to that spot. While he also is not nearly as fluid in coverage as Christian Gonzalez.... that absurd length of Porter Jr's will aid him a great deal more in Off Man/Off Zone than Ringo's would. Ringo has the Jackpot when it comes to being a HWS (Height, Weight, Speed) based Corner but Porter Jr is the more polished of the two with some serious reach to boot.


Now, if Porter Jr is at pick 17?! Sprint to that damn podium!! Otherwise, I'd look for other positions; doubly so now that Patrick Peterson and Levi Wallace can both be mentors.

 

Terrell's issue stems from the fact that his ball skills and lack of playmaking ability hold him back greatly. He is a rock solid Strong Safety but not one you can expect to make an impact play.

 

Agree, that's what I mean. He's a solid player and does a lot well... but he rarely makes a big play on the ball or makes a huge impact play (pick, ff, etc.). In today's NFL that isn't going to get you paid. He's someone that makes very few negative plays a season... but also makes very few impact ones.

 

Hell, I hope we can try out Julius Brents from Kansas State University. Not a speedster but excellent size, exceptional fluidity, tremendous explosiveness with rare size and length to boot. Definitely someone that Patrick Peterson can work under.

 

I agree with pretty much everything in the first paragraph. Play to the kid's strengths. As for CB at 17, I'm almost of the belief that we pick CB at 17 or we're trolling. We are in such turmoil at the position that we need someone that is both good and under contract for longer than the 2023 and 2024 season. We shored up DL with Larry O, we brought in a starting quality ILB, we kept Kazee, and picked up a G that will at the very least compete for the LG position if not be just an upgrade. The only positions we have left are hoping one of the stud LT's or CB's is available at 17.

 

That said, an undervalued aspect of his pertains to his reliability. Should be a pre requisite for any player in the NFL and much less one within the First Round but a players best ability is availability. Outside of Minkah Fitzpatrick, no other player on the Defensive side of the Football Field has been more dependable in that regard.


He is not a playmaker but he is a rock solid starter. Need those for a playoff push. Don't believe me?! Go ask the Kansas City Chiefs regarding someone like Juan Thornhill or even Andrew Wylie. Again, not household names but players who proved their worth when it mattered most.

 

Purdue (2022), Michigan (2022), Ohio State (2021 & 2022), and Arkansas (2021).


Hope this helps!!

 

I would not be disappointed if the only corner we drafted was Riley in the 4th (not sure he lasts until the 4th), but I was saying that I was hoping that we double dip at corner.

If we get Porter at 17 (or Witherspoon) then Breese at 32 then Campbell at 49 AND Riley later in the draft, I would be stoked.

 

I think you’re spot on about Edmunds. He is a steady pro, who has been consistently available since he was drafted.

He just seems to have no football instincts. As you said he looks lost at times in zone and always takes bad angles.

I hated, I mean HATED that pick from day one, but as many on this board have stated I’d be fine with him had we gotten him in the 3rd round.

 

I will have to check him out

 

I mean, I'd be elated if we had third rounders end up as good as Edmunds. People forget, a third round pick has less than a 1/10 shot of being a regular starter. Hell, its less than 50/50 to get a regular starter after pick 20 in the first round... The fact of the matter is, while he's not what we were hoping for, Edmunds was still a "hit" as a first round pick. It sucks that Jesse Bates III was better and played the same position (so player evaluation was wrong there), but that's really the only gripe I have with the pick.

 

I wouldn't mind the double dip either. Porter, Bresee and Campbell would be a pretty solid start to the draft.

 

Next on the list of visits- John Michael Schmidz, center, Minnesota.

 

Bas ass baller.

 

Glad to hear you did.


For me though, the key for Porter Jr is that too many teams will think he is scheme independent.... but he is not. He is very scheme dependent but he does excel at Press Covergaes of both Man and Zone. That said, it is key that he presses quite often as he is not fully developed enough to play off sans only a couple of snaps per game.


Part of the reason he is labeled as a Top 20 pick though is capability to routinely re route opposing WRs both at the line and staying in phase. All the same though, I agree. For me, Brian Branch is still my top choice!

 

Based on what we currently have, Branch is a far better fit ( as he is a safety who plays the Nickel well) and more likely to become an all pro.

So I'd go Branch over Porter personally.

 

Believe You Me.....His Hips are very stiff. You need to watch more closely. It's the whole reason He can't transition without losing a huge step, and coming off who He is covering.....it's also why He face guards, and people are always praying He doesn't get flagged.
Although that is not His only problem.

 

He doesn't make negative impact?????
I really really wish I knew technology better.
I could make You a lowlight tape of just one year that would make You
It doesn't matter the round He was taken in. There are 4th , 5th , and 6th rounders being scooped up in the FA market left , and right. Edmunds is again....not even being looked at.
Yet some of You will say....oh....He a good 3rd rounder.
It's funny I don't, and apparently the rest of the NFL doesn't see it.

 

Brian Branch just needs to learn how to finish off creating take aways by taking better jump angles to some of the balls that are thrown to him. His ball skills and instincts as a Safety are not to be faulted; he is the best defensive player in the draft when it comes to both on the backend; Emmanuel Forbes, Clark Phillips III and even Christian Gonzalez included. For me, such a problem is correctable via coaching.


In terms of his complete skillset though?! Brian is easily one of the safest Players in the class regardless of position. For that matter, I can argue he is the safest Defensive Back Prospect in the class. Peter Skoronski, Will Anderson, Tyree Wilson, Micheal Mayer, Bryce Young, Bijian Robinson, O Cyrus Torrence and John Micheal Schmitz would be the other players I would consider to be immediate plug n play players.

 

I just don't understand the personal vendetta against this particular player. There are so many other Steelers to hate on over the past 5 years and Edmunds of all people is a punching bag for some? Really weird. He has been a day one starter that has progressed nearly every year into a better player. He is rarely injured and rarely makes negative plays, he quietly does his job (and does it well) and manages to be an ideal citizen on and off the field.... and people hate him lol and the root of it all is because people who know actually nothing about football thought he was over drafted on draft day.

There were only 4 players that made a 1st team All Pro that were drafted ahead of him (4 non-specialists that were 1st team All-Pro drafted after him).
- Quentin Nelson, Roquan Smith, Minkah Fitzpatrick, and Derwin James before
- Lamar Jackson, Darius Leonard, Fred Warner, and Mark Andrews (the rest of the AP guys were either Kickers/Punters and Braxton Berrios as a returner)

There were also 13 players drafted ahead of him that also never made a Pro-Bowl (only 12 non-specialists that made a Pro Bowl were drafted after him - none of which were Safeties).
- There are only 2 players that have played more games than him that were drafted before him (Daron Payne and DJ Moore).

You can make an argument that we should've drafted Bates III, but he hasn't made a Pro Bowl either. Also statistically him and Edmunds aren't far off. The only difference between the two is that Bates gets 13 more tackles a season on average (less than one a game) and 2 more turnovers forced a season.
- Basically 10 total turnovers and less than a tackle a game over 5 seasons are the difference between Terrell Edmunds and 16 million bucks a year. Which is really my main argument. If he got another 2 turnovers a year we would be talking about him being one of the best SS in the game. But he doesn't, so he's just solid.

You also can make the argument that we should have drafted Lamar Jackson instead... but I know your feelings on that

I'd like to see him cause more turnovers too. I would've preferred he developed into a stud, and he didn't. But he's fine.

 

I'll never understand this. He had the best 20 shuttle of all CB's(and it wasn't close). Best 3 cone(and it wasn't close). Best broad jump. 2nd best vertical(Half inch short of Banks).

So this guy is a crazy athletic and exsplosive, right? Then why were his running numbers in the bottom half when he dominates everything else? Events that take a lot of explosion.

I can see that maybe he doesn't have great long speed, hence the 4.53. But, with his explosion he had a 1.57 split? Ten CB's ran in the 1.4's. Just don't know how that all works.