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Greene was the cornerstone of a dynasty, every bit as dominant as Watt. Give me dominance in the middle over dominance on the edge any day.

 

Wow what a great idea, love Green..played in the 4-3 and was surrounded by HOF'er...loved Troy, but in this Era I think Edge is perhaps the most important to build your D around, and TJ is what you want to build around.

 

The reason I chose Watt was based on his ability to affect the outcome of games. His play is often the difference between winning and losing. I can't personally remember any defensive player that could almost single handedly swing games as often as Watt does.

Troy had this ability as well. I just don't think he did to the same degree as Watt.

I'm sure Mean Joe Greene had this ability as well. I am just limited in the amount of games I have watched him play. The live games I got to watch were when Greene was at the end of his career.

 

There has been so many great Steelers OLBs. Lloyd, Greene, Porter, Gildon, Ham, Harrison etc. I honestly think TJ has surpassed all of them. He's almost unstoppable when he's healthy.

 

I would even agree with 'scribe on this point, if your base D was 4-3, the Joe Green was and would be the perfect anchor to build around, and they did. Troy was simply unique, not sure you build a base D around him, as much as he has the freedom to roam and do whatever he feels is necessary to get the job done. Was reading a post on FB the other day, Dawkins or Troy. Dawkins played longer and therefore had greater stats, and Eagles fans who watched him were solidly behind him, as were Steelers fans behind Troy. If you have either of them on your team for their career you are truly blessed, I would choose Troy as a homer and from what i saw him do, but damn sure would never put Dawkins down for any reason.

 

It's hard to argue about Mean Joe. I also can't argue about building from the middle out. I generally agree with that philosophy.

Another interesting argument is who was a better Safety, Troy Polomalu or Carnell Lake. My buddy and I had this argument a few years back. At first glance, you think Troy is the easy choice. But my buddy made a pretty convincing argument for Lake. Lake was one of the best cover safetys to play the game. Very few safetys can play cornerback at a pro bowl level the way Lake did. Lake was better for longer than Troy. I would still take Polomalu. But it was a fun argument to have.

 

Lake gets forgotten to often. Often it is said for an aging CB to become a safety, and a couple have managed to get it done, but listening to pros over the years it is a completely different mindset and position. Lott did it, Woodson did it, but those guys were superior athletes and intelligent, guys you find once in a generation. For lake to make that transition when Rod went down to injury showed he to was exceptional. We reallly have had world class talent on this team in our lifetime.

 

And to think that Carnell Lake hasn't made the Hall of Fame is a disgrace. He was an unbelievable safety, and he also excelled at cornerback. He was the ultimate team player and did anything the team asked him to do, and he did it at an extremely high level. I defy any safeties to switch to corner and see how many in the history of the NFL would be able to do it at a high level.

Carnell Lake belongs in the HOF.

 

I am afraid your in for along wait.

 

So was Harrison. His prime didn't last long because he was 29 when he first established himself as a starter, but from 2007 through 2011, he was an absolute monster.

 

I know. Just venting my frustration with the HOF voters. When it comes to Steelers they only seem to take no doubt about it players.

Lake is the only member of the 1990's All-Decade team secondary to not make the HOF. It's bull****. They try to keep Steelers out of the HOF.

 

I'm afraid that when they are considering post-70s Steelers, they compare them in the light of the slam dunk HOFers from the 70s and hold that against them. I think there are players in the HOF right now who deserve it less than Carnell Lake, Hines Ward and James Harrison.

 

I agree with Lake, but seeing how the Steelers are are one of the most represented teams in the hall, player, HC's, Owners and staff I do not think anyone is trying to keep them out. Every so often a thread will pop up somewhere with various names that should be in the HOF, there are a lot of guys from many different teams that could be and should be in. Not talking border line either, but some really stellar players that just got over looked due to position, perhaps others better who over shadowed them at the same time. That's the suck of subjective reasoning, but it is the way it's always been,

 

Ben Roethlisberger, Cameron Heyward, Minkah Fitzpatrick and TJ Watt will all make the HOF in the next 10-15 years. Wouldn't surprise me if Pouncey eventually got in too. He made a lot of Pro Bowls. DeCastro didn't play long enough, but was HOF caliber, IMO.

 

I believe it because we have heard idiots like Peter King say that he doesn't vote for Steelers players because they already have so many in the HOF. He's a voter, and if he's saying it...then it's happening.

 

I seen a kid wearing a t-shirt with that same picture as Your avatar at the gas station yesterday. LoL...it automatically made me think of You. LoL
Do You have one???

 

No... unfortunately I do not have that T-shirt.

 

If it’s the HOF shouldn’t it be only no doubt about it players

 

What I mean by that is slam-dunk, everybody in the world knows they are Hall of Fame players like Troy.

What I said about Carnell Lake is a fact. He made the 1990's All-Decade Team and isn't in the Hall of Fame. Atwater made the HOF from that same team, and I believe Lake was a much better player from a coverage standpoint. Atwater could really hit and was a physical player that still got interceptions, but was not a great man defender the way Lake was. Not in the same league as far as pure cover skills go.

To me it doesn't make sense that he isn't in with that resume. Making an All-Decade team with multiple All-Pro and Pro-Bowl teams shows that you were an elite player over an extended period of time and one of the best players if not the best player in the NFL at your position period. It is exactly the definition of who is supposed to be in the Hall.

I know what you are saying, of course. Cases like Lake and LC Greenwood just really bother me. Other teams and other great players also go through this as well.

 

My favorite animal at the zoo has to be the Hippos. Everybody watches them not do anything and talks about how big and fat and lazy they are. But in truth, the Hippo would rush out and kill the entire crowd if it could only find the exit.

 

That is a generous list.

 

Generous? How so?

 

Not so sure on Cam, Links To automatic unless an injury.

 

Hungry Hippos named Harry

 

It's a shame about DeCastro. If he had played as long as Faneca...HOF.