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Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by JackAttack 5958, Jan 5, 2013.

  1. JackAttack 5958

    JackAttack 5958 Well-Known Member

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    Not trying to discredit BA, but I think it's absolutely hilarious that he is one of the most highly sought after head coaching candidates this year. A lot of bad head coaches have been hired because of the play of great quarterbacks over the years and BA has been able to hitch his wagon to two of the best in recent memory. I look at a coach like Bill Bellichick who was able to have a successful season with a guy like Matt Cassell as his QB and even Haley who was able to have some success in KC with Cassell and even kept the ship afloat with Tyler Palko as his QB. Luck made a lot of plays this year when the original play call broke down, something Ben has been doing his entire career. Josh McDaniels is another guy who was given WAY too much credit and we saw the disaster that occurred when he was made head coach of Denver. Again I'm not trying to diminish the job that BA has done but he's been very lucky in that lightning has struck twice now giving him two extra special talents in Ben and Luck who have made him look like a much better coach than he actually is.
     
  2. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    No head coach is successful without a good QB, Cassell did well primarily because there was no film on him, that's why he play dropped after leaving NE, do you think he got amnesia and forgot everything Bellichick taught him? I swear, it seems like people around here are threatened by BA doing well, as if it discredits their opinions about him. There are things about his play calling that I think make it harder to reach the ultimate goal, that don't put you in the best position to succeed but as we have seen, you can win it all with him as an OC. I'm happy for BA, hope he gets a gig, I'd actually be interested to see what he could do in SD, I think that's the best spot for him to land. I wish him success, as long as we beat him. :thumbs_up:
     
  3. JackAttack 5958

    JackAttack 5958 Well-Known Member

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    Let me clarify, I wish him the best too but he's a lucky son of a gun. Of course I'm of the mindset that Ben and DL have covered up many of Tomlin's coaching deficiencies as well. I guess it really is better to be lucky than good at times. :shrug:

    And as far as coaches not having success without a good QB, that is largely true but not completely. I think many schematically minded coaches do a good job of implementing average quarterbacks into the right system. Didn't Parcells win with Jeff Hostetler as his QB? Ditka never had a good QB in Chicago. Billick won a Super Bowl with Dilfer as his QB. They all had very good to great defenses you say? We had the number one defense in the league this year and were 8-8. Let that one sink in for a minute.
     
  4. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    I think there is a ton of luck in the NFL, just staying healthy is incredibly lucky, I'm amazed there aren't injuries like we sustained to all teams the way those big bodies fly around.
     
  5. blountforcetrauma

    blountforcetrauma Well-Known Member

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    Wait! Did you just say that some of the ORIGINAL PLAY DESIGNS broke down for the Colts this year??? Shocking! Oh wait... BA designed that play right? My bad. I honestly don't know why BA even designs an offense. I honestly can only think of one single time where it honestly seemed that BA had a true gameplan and that was against the Pats. Other than that it was "RUN FOR YOUR LIFE BEN AND FIND THE OPEN GUY (PREFERRABLY THE GUY THAT IS THE FARTHEST DOWN FIELD AND NOT JUST THE CLOSEST GUY THAT'S OPEN) AND NEVER THROW IT AWAY!!!" I'm of the opinion that the Colts won the same way we did with BA and that is in SPITE of him and I will always believe that. My buddy loves the Chargers and he's dying at the thought that BA might go there because he knows it would destroy Phillip River's career. Rivers is not mobile like Luck and Ben and for him to have to run such an idiotic offense would pretty much keep him on IR for most of the year. Actually I don't like Jay Cutler so I would like for BA to go to the Bears because I would love to watch THAT drama play out! LOL!
     
  6. Yogi4

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    I think he is now thanking the Steelers for letting him go. He went from a Fire Bruce A. on the Steeler message Boards to Hire BA as OC with the Colts and possibly hire BA at Philly as a Head Coach. #luckofthedraw
     
  7. Coastal Steeler

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    Hey Jack I wish him the best too. He did do enough this year to get a shot. If he surprises us I will be ok with it. I think he will do 2 or 3 years and back to OC. Maybe Ben will be a HC by then and hire Brucie
     
  8. polyjb

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    Same reasons that Mikey Tomlin looks like a great coach - a top notch QB. When Ben plays well, Mikey wins. When Ben sucks, Mikey sucks.
     
  9. cory_86

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    Maybe the Steelers should fire Tomlin and replace him with BA

    *runs and hides in a fallout shelter*

    ​yes, i'm kidding
     
  10. D0bre Shunka

    D0bre Shunka Well-Known Member

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    I dunno, seems to me that BA has a good resume as head coaching nominees go.

    Multiple AFC championships, playoff appearances, and Superbowls. Even has some wins in there, don't cha know ;P

    He then follows up as a 1st year head coach, interim as it may be, with a playoff run with a rookie QB and little else.

    Call me crazy but I think he's on the short list or two.
     
  11. shadowmaker

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    I ll take be lucky over being good any day of the week.
     
  12. BobbyBiz

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    So hes lucky in Indy because of Manning. Then hes lucky in Pittsburgh because of Roethlisberger. Now hes lucky in Indy again because of, well, Luck.

    Did any of you guys consider that maybe, just maybe the guy is a pretty good coach?

    :eek:
     
  13. SteelHack

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    BA was Peyton Mannings first QB coach too.

    P Manning, Ben, and Luck

    HACK
     
  14. blountforcetrauma

    blountforcetrauma Well-Known Member

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    Well in Indy the year he was there they won 3 games. With BA Ben was the most sacked qb over that period of time. With BA Luck was sacked 41 times and threw 16 picks.
     
  15. AFan

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    So BA is just lucky? Let me apply at his same logic in parallel. Ben Roethlisberger is a lucky stiff too. Drafted to a team with agreat D. The lucky stiff stinks up the joint in his first SB but wins anyway. Then wins the second because the D returns an INT 100 yds,. How lucky can a guy get??

    Sounds stupid doesn't it?
     
  16. blountforcetrauma

    blountforcetrauma Well-Known Member

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    LOL. Yeah. That's the same...
     
  17. JackAttack 5958

    JackAttack 5958 Well-Known Member

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    Which actually brings up another concern. Save for one magical drive in SB 43, Big Ben has been mediocre to slightly above average in Super Bowls. That's another thread though. :smiley1:
     
  18. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    He was only bad in the Seattle game. Against GB he was 25/40 263 yards 2 TD and 2 Int, those 2 Ints were killers although his arm was hit on the pick 6 I believe but his overall numbers were good and against Arizona 21/30 256 yards 1 TD and 1 Int and of course probably the best game wining SB drive in history.
     
  19. blountforcetrauma

    blountforcetrauma Well-Known Member

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    I thought Ben should've been the mvp in SB 43.
     
  20. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    He should of been but that was fresh off his law troubles, I guarantee you if Brady or Peyton had done that, MVP would have been theirs.
     
  21. JackAttack 5958

    JackAttack 5958 Well-Known Member

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    The numbers can be deceiving. I think in the Seattle game he had the lowest QB rating for a winning QB in Super Bowl history. No argument that the game winning drive against the Cards was one for the ages, but he really had an average game up until that point and the Cards seemed to be containing him pretty well overall. In the Green Bay game, I just don't think Ben ever got into any kind of rhythm and he fell short when the game was on the line. The two picks were huge and probably cost us the game. If you look at Bradshaw's Super Bowl "numbers" they probably pale in comparison to Ben's, but he seemed to ALWAYS come up big at crucial times and when the game was on the line.

    Not trying to diminish Ben's 2-1 record in Super Bowls, but when I think of his overall performance sans "the drive", I just kind of go, "eh". :shrug:
     
  22. blountforcetrauma

    blountforcetrauma Well-Known Member

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    Well in SB 13 Bradshaw threw for over 300 for the first time in his career and got MVP. He then got it again the next year as well.
     
  23. blountforcetrauma

    blountforcetrauma Well-Known Member

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    As far as the game against GB it just felt like we never really settled in as a team until about the time that Mendy fumbled. I honestly think we would've won that game if he hadn't fumbled. I remember when he had the last incompletion to Wallace on the last drive at the end of the game that he was smiling while talking to the ref and I was like "what in the crap do you have to be smiling about?" It just sorta felt like the will wasn't there or something ya know?
     
  24. JackAttack 5958

    JackAttack 5958 Well-Known Member

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    And in fairness to Ben, Bradshaw had Swann and Stallworth and In the GB game Ben had Wallace. I guess I'm spoiled and I know that time can taint a memory, but it seemed that every single time Bradshaw HAD to make a play in the Super Bowl he ALWAYS MADE THE PLAY. That's why he was 4-0 in Super Bowls and, along with Joe Cool, is the greatest QB in Super Bowl history.
     
  25. Blast Furnace

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    I think Montana is the best ever, I know people would disagree with that but that's how I feel. If I had to build a team, he'd be my QB for sure.
     

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