The Steelers have received calls about Mason Rudolph

Can you finish your thought? You say there are some better QB'S coming out of college after this season. Who are they? What program do they play for? Why are the better? Why do you feel they are better prepared to be a day one starter over Pickett who you say is a reach. I'm completely being serious and not attacking your position I just would like more information.

 

To be fair, most of those guys were drafted in the first or second round. Glennon wasn't, but he only became a starter as a rookie because the starter was injured. The same was true of Prescott, who only became the starter as a rookie because Tony Romo was injured in the preseason.

Russell Wilson was just special. The Seahawks had signed Matt Flynn as an expensive free agent to be their starter and Wilson simply beat him out for the job.

I do understand your thinking on this. Pickett's time will come, most likely at some point this season. That it isn't this Sunday doesn't mean he isn't the future of the franchise.

 

So you are aware of Burrow. When you questioned the future of a quarterback who had only one good season of college football, I wondered. That was exactly the case with Burrow. You are right about one thing. Burrow is pretty good.

 

That was my point. All of those guys I mentioned started as rookies and most of them from game one. I was responding to Lizard's comment where he said most teams don't start their rookie 1st round QBs and let them sit for awhile to learn and absorb from the sidelines. I don't believe that is a true statement. Even our own #7 started as a rook game #3. Of course that was due to Maddox going down, but I disagree with the statement that teams draft 1st round rookie QBs to sit on the bench for the first year. I think that more often than not, most of them are in desperate need of good QB and that's why they drafted QB in the 1st round. I just don't think lizard's narrative holds water.

 

That's fair, but either side of that is a generalization. I was just pointing out that teams did not plan to start many of the quarterbacks you mentioned when they were rookies. Injuries forced Prescott and Glennon into the lineup. Wilson was just too damn good to sit.

I don't think the Steelers were ever serious about Pickett starting the opener. If they were, the training wheels would have been off by the second preseason game and he would have played at least some of the time with the starters against Detroit.

Maybe they were open to Rudolph beating Trubisky out, but that didn't happen. Once the early edge from experience with the team was gone and pass rushers started to be a factor, it was clear that both Trubisky and Pickett were better than Rudolph right now.

This idea that other posters brought up that he was somehow robbed of a fair opportunity compete and then had the No. 2 job stolen from him is comical. I know it wasn't you who suggested that. It's just part of the discussion on the thread.

 

I looked this up a few weeks when people were debating the merits of letting Pickett sit and learn.

in the 10 seasons between 2012 and 2021. There were 33 1st Round QBs
- 32 got at least one start as rookie, Jordan Love @ GB the exception
- Avg number of starts for a 1st round rookie QB: 10.78

Teams don’t let their rookie 1st round QBs watch and learn much. They can’t resist playing with their new toys or the teams stink or the alternatives stink, so they play the future ‘star’.

 

Thanks for doing the legwork! That seems to substantiate what I thought was true. Do you know out of those 32 rookie QBs how many started game 1 of the season for their respective squads? I'm guessing it's at least half.

 

How is that a generalization? I provided specific names of QBs who started as rooks. AFan went the extra mile and provided data that shows its a proven fact that rookie QBs have a higher likelihood to start during their rookie season than not over the past 10 years. Hardly a generalization.

 

I took Lizard’s point as distinguishing between want and need. CLE’s first-round QB pick will start because they’re a steaming pile. Even for CLE, though, I suspect if they had a competent but non-franchise starter, their first-round pick would not get thrown into the deep end game one.

 

You missed the other part of that sentence. "Most Teams would want to" The want is key. Factors force them to when they may not think they're really ready

 

You're probably right about that. I'm thinking within the context of the Steelers, the QB situation IS a steaming pile. We've got a 6th year former 1st round pick who's on his 3rd team and never lived up to expectations. Then we've got a 5th year 3rd round guy who will never be anything more than a backup who we can't even trade for a 6th round pick and might not even be getting a hat on game day. Followed by an unproven and overdrafted 1 year college wonder with mini hands who probably shouldn't have even been drafted in the 1st round but was due to this being a really weak QB class in the last draft. So when you look at teams who have garbage at QB and need to draft and start a rook, the steelers fit the bill.

 

Well, all I can say is want in one hand and sh!t in the other hand and see which one fills up faster. Not to mention, how do you or I have any clue what an NFL front office wants? The odds are clearly weighted on the side of a rookie 1st round QB starting. If not from day 1, at least sometime during their rookie season.

 

Didn’t look at that specifically, I just looked at total starts on pro-football reference. My guess is it’s maybe 1/3 to 1/2, but not more than 1/2. If you’re the #1 pick on a horrible team, you get the opening start: Burrow, Trevor , Tua , Baker. Beyond that it gets less likely. Good question, I might look it up if I get motivated.

 

Poor Mason. Thread about him turns to Kenny. Hell, even that thorn in the Steelers side is in it, Burrow. And I'm a firm believer that as Ben R ate the State of Ohio for lunch, Joe will be eating Pennsylvania.

I think a lot of fans are going to put a lot of faith in Kenny to keep us relevant right off the bat. I'm sure I'll be disappointed if it doesn't happen fast but I'm trying to get ready to take the loses that will surly come at first. Right now it's just fingers crossed that Kenny becomes our new guy for years to come and the Steeler/Bengal rivalry becomes as great as the old Steeler/Raven one was. Man those were some massively brutal games!!!!

 

That's exactly what I was going for.

You say how do you or I have any clue, then you throw out odds making a prediction on what they want. I can bet someone isn't sitting there there parsing the situation by looking at odds. I'm saying that they would like to, some don't have the luxury to and keep fans in the seats or another option to hold them over. You see what the kid can handle and roll him in when he's ready. These aren't one and done games like college.

QB's are just like other rookies, none of them, have played as many games the NFL has them playing and the preparation and talent level is up across the board. Most rookies learn how to prepare themselves better and pick up weekly habits from the veterans. There's a reason they put him at 2 and that's because he will play this year you can count on it unless Mitch is balling out!

Look at the last 1st round Pittsburgh had, plan was for him to sit as well.

 

Couldn’t help myself. Of the 33 1st round QBs the last 10yrs - these refer to first time starts only
- 14 started their teams opener (40%)
- 3 started in Game 2
- 4 started in game 3
- 2 in Game 4

So 23/33 (67%) made their first start by around Oct 1 of the rookie yrs


- 3 started in Game 5, one in Game 6, none in games 7 or 8

So 27/33 (80%) started for the first time by mid season

- 3 started in game 9 or 10
- 1 in Game 14
- 1 in Game 16 (Mahomes)
- 1 in Game 10 of his 2nd season (Love)


So odds are we see Picket by Veterans Day. If past is prologue.

 

Mason has been moved to the practice squad as per Steelers depot.

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Baker didn't start until like game 4. I believe. Did Burrow start game one....He did ...didn't He.
Never mind. You came back with more info.
Great work.

 

One way it is a generalization is the notion of it being planned or not. Sometimes there are situations like Roethlisberger's, with the team planning to let the guy sit and watch and ending up starting him.

Of course, what other teams did hardly matters. If Trubisky plays well and the team is contending, he will probably hang on to the job. If he falters or the team falters, he won't. It certainly isn't all in Pickett's hands.

 

NO BRAINERS 2023 Draft


CJ Stroud -OSU <<<top 10 in draft
Bryce Young -Alabama <<<top 10 in draft
Anthony Richardson - Florida<<<top 10 in draft
Will Levis - Kentucky <<<top 15 in draft

CJ Stroud and Bryce Young are head and shoulders better than Kenny Pickett and it's not debatable whether you do numbers or eye test. If you want to do a comparison of stats between KP and those QBs you can go to cfbcomparisons.com.

With the exception of Anthony Richardson the top 3 QBs will likely have put up monstrous numbers in 2 full seasons barring injury against far better competition which I also dont think can be argued.

My biggest concern with KP is that he played as much as he did (almost four full seasons and part of 5) and that it took as long as he did to become more than just a little bit better than average...once again against lesser competition with pretty much the same OC and QB coach.

I'm a little more skeptical about Anthony Richardson and Will Levis, but apparently theres something about the talent of these two that make them standout and clearly make them dynamic in the eyes of most scouts, but I cant believe Kenny is better than Will Levis for sure after seeing highlights/clips of both...Will Levi's seriously reminds me of Josh Allen with slightly less speed. Anthony Richardson might be a poor mans Cam Newton, but we'll see if at the end of the season if he actually is Cam Newton 2.0. I'll take Cam Newton 2.0 over KP.

Just to Note:

Potential late First Rounders or early Second Rounders(which as far as I'm concerned is on par with Kenny Pickett)

Devin Leary- NC State... had 35 TD and 5 INTs last season. He's trying to do what I wish KP never had a chance to do which is prove he can do it again and the one time wasnt a fluke.

Tyler Van Dyke - Miami...had a great first full season....also getting a chance to prove previous season was not a fluke.

Cameron Ward -Washington State - been lighting it up since day one.

I'm not saying I dont believe in Kenny Pickett. I'm saying I dont believe he was a first rounder no brainer pick. I'm rooting for him just like anyone else and cant help but hope for anything but the best for him. I want to see him sooner than later to get his learning underway and because the Steelers really need to see what he can do ASAP as far as I'm concerned.

 

As far as I'm concerned he had two good seasons and it was the significant jump from the one year to the next that made him standout moreso then Kenny Pickett who was fortunate to get one more year of eligibility to prove that he was anything other than a average college QB. Remember Burrow's first season of really playing was a brand new team, system and coaches.

 

His ex girlfriend is saying "You might as well jump I'm still not taking you back!"

 

The no brainer 2023 draft could look pretty foolish. Just ask Spencer Rattler, last yrs csnt miss QB

 

I never heard of Spencer Rattler till you just mentioned him. I see he was included in mock drafts somewhere in the middle around this time last year, but he must have fell off pretty quick and there were plenty of questions surrounding him even b4 then....either way I have a hard time believing this upcoming QB class is going to be anywhere as poor as last draft

 

Good list. The next draft QB class is way better than 2022 draft. Not sold on Levis. And being a TN Vols fan, I have to say keep an eye on Hendon Hooker. He's running Josh Heupel's offense well and they put up a lot of points. Pitt vs UT should be a fun game to watch this weekend.