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Sunday, Short leash day for Pickett?

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by 86WardsWay, Nov 23, 2023.

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  1. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    I believe He is tops in turnovers also. I always said that You could lead in a lot of different stats if You didn't care about winning.
     
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  2. Wardismvp

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    I must have read the wrong information on CBS sports, thanks for the info.
     
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  3. mac daddyo

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    :cool:
     
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  4. Hanratty#5

    Hanratty#5 Well-Known Member

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    I was informed the 58 game streak is for the regular season, not the playoff game.
     
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  5. Vox Ferrum

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    Canada was scapegoated? No, he sucked and needed to be fired at the end of last season, while connected, KP is yet another issue they have to deal with, but Canada was not a scapegoat, he was never an NFL OC except in title.
     
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  6. jeh1856

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    Yeah that was a top ten dumb comment
     
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  7. Steel_Elvis

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    Whenever I’ve watched him play for Washington this year, which is admittedly parts of only 4 or 5 games so far, he’s made a lot of positive things happen and his mistakes have been of the “curable rookie mistake” variety. He needs to play aggressive for them to have any shot and he does. I think he’s going to be very solid if they can build a better team around him.
     
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  8. Lloyd&Green

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    I couldn’t care less about “the way you heard it” or what you do/don’t think.
    With just an average QB this same offense would look much better. With just an average QB this team would score many more points. With just an average QB this team would have more wins.

    At 7-3 or 8-2 and tied with the Ravens in the loss column sitting at 3-0 in the division, the team doesn’t fire Canada. Kenny being so awful is why Canada got fired. Now some put Kenny’s lack of development on Canada and that could be valid, but I don’t follow that line of thinking because Kenny came in as a 5 year 24 year old who was supposedly nfl ready. He wasn’t drafted as a project who needed major development.

    Everybody wants to jump on the “Canada sucks” train while ignoring that there were open receivers and several plays to be made every single solitary game. Again, if Kenny could make routine plays routinely we’d see a completely different looking offense. We probably haven’t even seen Canada’s full offense because the QB is so deficient. Thats all I’m saying.

    I suspect you’re just too stupid to understand where I’m coming from. I’ll try to dumb it down to a bird brained level just for you though.

    If this team had won the Browns game, Canada doesn’t get fired. Even with just an average qb, they beat the Browns with the same exact offensive scheme and exact same play-calls. Thats what I mean when I say that Canada was scapegoated.
     
  9. S.T.D

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    One of My favorite characters.
     
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  10. Formerscribe

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    Canada was a quarterbacks coach who was promoted to offensive coordinator. Developing the quarterback taken in the first round is part of his job. Putting him in a position to succeed is part of his job. Canada failed miserably at both. His offense is predictable and it doesn't do enough to the middle of the field. That is a trend that started before Pickett. Most importantly, the players were ready to revolt, but now the comments are all positive. If you don't understand that they wanted him gone, you haven't been paying attention.
     
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  11. jeh1856

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  12. Formerscribe

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    Canada might have lasted another game if they had won. It is tough to fire anybody when the team is winning no matter how terrible the offense is playing. If anything, the defense bailed him out so that he was able to last as long as he did, barely hanging on against the Titans and Packers.

    If Thompson had caught that interception that was right in his chest and returned it for a touchdown, maybe the defense would have held on for the victory. That wouldn't mean Canada deserved to keep his job.
     
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  13. Hanratty#5

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    Tomlin's formula for winning nearly worked. Don't turn the ball over, play conservatively and wait for the other team to make a fatal mistake. DRT made that fatal mistake but Thompson dropped the pick six.
     
  14. SGSteeler

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    You can still win a ton of games turning the ball over and getting sacked though. Eli Manning was a literal turnover machine, but when he was on he was a top 5 QB in the league and won 2 Super Bowls against Tom Brady. Brett Favre threw tons of picks (3.3% INT percent for his career) but was always in contention to win it all and got a Super Bowl ring. Sometimes turning it over from time to time is OK if you are making tons of big plays alongside it. If Sam Howell was the QB of this team, we would be better than 6-4 and that is a fact.
     
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  15. SGSteeler

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    I agree that they probably don't fire Canada coming off a win, but they definitely needed to fire someone. You either can the OC or bench the QB. One is under contract for 2 more years and the other was on his last year of his deal. We weren't extending or re-signing Canada anyways so it was an easy decision to make.

    I can kinda agree that they "scapegoated" firing Canada, but his tenure was unsuccessful no matter the circumstances so the firing was just. I wanted both Canada fired AND Kenny benched. I think a new OC and new QB going into next year would give some life to this offense. We have the pieces to be successful, just need the right guy at the helm and a competent QB distributing the ball.
     
  16. S.T.D

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    LoL. Sorry that it's not a fact. Now if You said thats Your opinion....that's OK, but fact is dumb to say.....there are no facts in making up fantasy. The only fact is....He's losing.
     
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  17. Hanratty#5

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    Tomlin wouldn't want someone like Howell who makes a lot of big plays but also makes a lot of bad plays. That is the opposite of his conservative risk adverse type of game plan that he wants.
     
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  18. S.T.D

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    Also You can put up a lot of stats in the passing game when you throw caution to the wind, and winning is not the only priority. I also believe once the realization of not doing anything this year set in there is a certain OC that wants to put up yards at all costs.
     
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  19. SGSteeler

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    Its why "wins" is such a bad stat to use when determining whether or not a QB (or any player) is good in a team game. There are probably about 40 dudes that have started a game in the NFL at QB who has played better than Kenny Pickett, but only 9 teams that have a better record than him. If wins mattered at all, he'd be a top 10 QB... but since they don't he's at risk of losing his starting job.

    It is a fact that we have had arguably the worst QB play in the entire league this season. Sam Howell is a pretty good player. He would INSTANTLY improve our offense. Sure, its an opinion since Sam Howell is not a Steeler (nor will he be in 2023)... but there is 0 chance that competent QB play doesn't improve our record.
     
  20. jeh1856

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    Heck of a strategy
     
  21. TWISTER

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    The stats mean absolutely nothing, Wins are the most important thing, I just want to see positive production from our offense, I want to not have to rely on big plays from our defense.

    The bad thing is that even if our offense does improve and we put up 30 points. We still won’t be in control of a game because our defensive playcalling will slack off and we will go to prevent instead of being aggressive. We will go to the play not to lose mode.
     
  22. SGSteeler

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    its certainly not the strategy, but its not the main impediment in winning. Plenty of QB's get sacked and turn the ball over, yet win games (and championships).
     
  23. S.T.D

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    To all the Qb wins don't count, and it's a team thing...
    Isn't it funny that most Qbs known for being great, and that are HOFers win more games than they lose. Crazy....they should just go by passing yards I guess. :shrug:LoL. You know why they don't....example: Sam Howells last game....He put up 300 yards passing....wow...no tds, but a nice int, and they got spanked.
     
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  24. TWISTER

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    Oh how I hate when people say that such a such would instantly improve our offense. Seriously you have no clue how Howell would be in this offense with the playcalling, offensive scheme, offensive line, drops from the receivers.

    Heck we can’t even say we would be improved if Kenny would hit these open guys, because we can’t even be comfortable knowing they will be caught.

    It sucks on Sundays when your QB drops back and makes a pass and you close your eyes hoping. I got so use to not having to do that when Ben was the QB. Because even in his last few years I felt comfortable with his passes (not so much the playcalling though)

    Fact is we don’t know if Brady or Manning would succeed in our offense.
     
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  25. SGSteeler

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    It just would tho. Like, take out worst player on offense, put in much better player.... profit?

    It is technically speculation because we wont ever see Tom Brady play in this offense, but there is 0 percent chance that the most successful QB of all time wouldn't improve this offense immensely.
     

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