Stop blaming the NFL/Goodell

Wardismvp · Sep 27, 2012

Tomlin_Era said:

Wardismvp said:

People, the Owners are the NFL not Goodell, He WORKS FOR THE OWNERS.
JUST THINK WHAT THE MONEY GRUBBING agents will tell thier clients/players if the NFL caves in
to the Refs demands.I will tell you this, this will be the last time the Refs will make the owners
out to be the bad guys. The Owners will start thier own referee school that thousands of people will sign up for and they will eliminate the part time refs making 120k /year.
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They can tell them whatever they want, a player will never circumvent market value unless you are dealing with the Raiders. And the ref school idea will never happen, for starters, they have a contract with the current refs, they aren't going any where for a while.
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As I stated this will be the last time for these guys, they better have made this contract a good one.
The owners will start there own NFL school just as they are now, with the so called 15 or so refs
that are on on the sidelines. These refs will REPLACE under performing REFS at any time.
The owners will make all refs full time employee's and it will start like umpire school and build yourself
up to the NFL Level. The owners won't be backed into another corner like they were this time. There will be THOUSANDS
lining up to make half of what the current NFL refs are making. Go to any Sunbelt state/right to work
state and see it for yourself. THE RICH GET RICHER.

lovembig · Sep 27, 2012

Tomlin_Era said:

HugeSnack said:

The problem is that you're comparing the ref's situation with a normal part time job, and not what it is, which is one of the very most critical jobs in the NFL. They may or may not be paid well given the hours put in when compared to a normal job like working at a deli or at Target (and I don't know exactly how many hours the refs put in, but I know it's not just the games -- they review film and practice and stuff too). But even if that's great money compared to the same hours as a "normal" job like cashier at Target, why are you comparing it to a normal job? Why don't you instead compare it to the other guys on the field? Since you're so concerned with drawing comparisons to "today's world," shouldn't the players be taking like a 90% pay cut, because they are all so grossly overpaid? I mean let's face it, what they do is not worth half a million per year for rookie bench warmers and $15 million per year for good players. They play a game. Yeah it's a full time job, but plenty of people work as hard or harder and make $40K or less. And they don't get crazy vacations or benefits. And they don't get to do what they love.

But we all know why the players make so much. Because the money is there to be had (thanks to the suckers like us that pay to see it) and because the game couldn't exist without them. At least not a good game. No players, no money at all, and so they get what they want, which is an absurd amount of money when compared to the rest of the world. I've been making the case for years that the refs are grossly underpaid. Not because the work they do is so hard or because they deserve it when compared to the rest of the world, but because -- just like the players -- the money is there to be had (thanks to the suckers like us that pay to see it) and because the game couldn't exist without them. At least not a good game.

Fans don't pay to see players. They pay to see a game. That includes players, refs, stadium builder guys, and other stuff they might not even think about. In my opinion, the refs are just as critical as the players. Even if you disagree with that, you have to agree that the game can't continue without them, which makes them critical. Why are they making less money than practice squad players, who NOBODY pays to see? With all the money that is there to go around, the refs could be asking for a 300% raise. That would still be pennies on the dollar compared to players. It's a shame that they are playing the NFL's game and treating themselves like they work at a regular place. The bigger shame is that the NFL is happy to destroy their own product as long as they get a few extra thousand dollars in their pocket.
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I posted a link above to a refs typical week, its much more then just 3 hours on Sunday.
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i heard Chris Mortensen say they work about 36 hours a week during the season. sure its not all year long, but during the season its pretty much a full time job.

Blast Furnace · Sep 27, 2012

Wardismvp said:

Tomlin_Era said:

Wardismvp said:

People, the Owners are the NFL not Goodell, He WORKS FOR THE OWNERS.
JUST THINK WHAT THE MONEY GRUBBING agents will tell thier clients/players if the NFL caves in
to the Refs demands.I will tell you this, this will be the last time the Refs will make the owners
out to be the bad guys. The Owners will start thier own referee school that thousands of people will sign up for and they will eliminate the part time refs making 120k /year.
Click to expand...

They can tell them whatever they want, a player will never circumvent market value unless you are dealing with the Raiders. And the ref school idea will never happen, for starters, they have a contract with the current refs, they aren't going any where for a while.
Click to expand...

As I stated this will be the last time for these guys, they better have made this contract a good one.
The owners will start there own NFL school just as they are now, with the so called 15 or so refs
that are on on the sidelines. These refs will REPLACE under performing REFS at any time.
The owners will make all refs full time employee's and it will start like umpire school and build yourself
up to the NFL Level. The owners won't be backed into another corner like they were this time. There will be THOUSANDS
lining up to make half of what the current NFL refs are making. Go to any Sunbelt state/right to work
state and see it for yourself. THE RICH GET RICHER.
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So, while these "students" go to "ref school" and learn the rules for 8 years (length of new contract) they will fire all the current refs and bring in these new guys that have zero NFL experience? Didn't that just end in disaster? Goodell and the league don't have the power to fire refs, so they would never be able to phase in these guys from ref school. They'd have to wait for the contract to expire and then bring them in. This idea will never happen. Negotiations are a part of life, contracts expire, new ones are established, the money the owners are shelling out for the referees is nothing for them. If the NFL was going to take this personal then why not start their own private minor league system and bring in players who will play for peanuts? After all, the current players cost them way more money in their lockout.

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