Rooney Is Cheap

Might as well increase the cap if everybody except the Steelers will be over it. LOL

Aaaand Go Pirates!!!

 

Check and double check. If the QB you drafted turns out well quickly, you spend on talent to surround him in that window, when you have to spend on him the options become quite different. Thus the Bills and others, not that you do not have some cash, it's just more imperative in drafting and developing the players around him.

The other option is finding the mid level QB like Baker, comes in from a failed experiment, excepts that lower offer and you have other paid players that you can assemble a decent team around. In the end it still is a crap shoot, only 2 teams make it to the SB and won wins.

Not sure Omar is on the correct page, but the strategy to be looking at both short and long term, putting together this team they hope will be competitive while still holding the long term capitol back to re=sign and build around the future QB pick, my simplicity, lol

 

What is hidden is where the money is being spent. Example, CLE spent dearly on a QB that won't be playing but they are paying.

 

You have to question a strategy that puts them in mediocre land for a decade.

Speaking of development I've searched for a ranking of teams signing their 5th yr option players but haven't found it. In a given year only about 50% are signed in the league.

 

Its hard to really know how far they will take this, you can't compare the NBA or ML, but the shady crap is all over the place. The reports of what the Clippers owner did with his player is laughable, perhaps it was legit, but do the owners really want to look into it because they have shady crap as well? When Stern was commisher a team pulled some stuff, was fined big and lost 5 1st round picks, now they wallow around, lol. While there is no CAP in baseball, the richest owners are limitless and the guys who collect the luxery tax (Nuttig) spend less so he can collect more, lol.

 

Taking away draft picks is far more damaging to these billionaires.

 

And thats just stupid owner trying to make his splash running the team, I get tired of Art at ties for his non activite approach, but at least as an organization we are more stable that the cluless billionaires who are to emotional in dealing on a yearly basis.

 

In the NFL agreed, but the Clippers have I believe 2 first rounders in the next 5 or 6 years, he is the richest owner in the NBA, despite never winning anything, hard to hurt someone with afrom Bel Air with a VW size fine, lol.

 

Silver can remove the next 5 first round pick they have!

 

This graph basically says the Steelers don't have a QB and decided to try to churn reasonable low-cost bets at QB in the last 5 years.

My guess is that if you did this same chart and removed QBs (Salary cap spending x-QB), we'd be much higher on the list.

Also, the few dots that are labeled suggest that there isn't much of a correlation between this metric and winning.

My guess is that often this is a "stupid index". Because the way you get to the top of the chart is by giving the worst NFL contract ever to a serial sexual abuser who also happens to not be good at football anymore...assuming he was good at football before and not just running up stats when his team was down big on the score board.

 

Isn't this just another spin on Void years? Like Credit Card debt, void years allow you to get something today but sacrifice the future to get it. Void years are worse than backloaded contract, because they are 100% guaranteed money.

Many people like the Eagles here, are going to need a government bailout to help them as their void years keep increasing every year to make Payroll.

Keeping money out of VOID years is playing the long game, which I think suits the Rooney's just fine.

 

This is true, but you end up paying the piper down the line. IMO, 5 years isn't a good time frame for this graph because that's the amount of time you're allowed to kick money down the road on a SB. My guess is that it would be better to look at 8-10 years.

I'd also argue that it would have been stupid for us to manipulate the cap to sell the future for the present at any time in the last 5 years.

I think it's a huge credit to Kahn / the team that they never restructured Watt's contract. Keeping all the cap hits where they were supposed to be and not kicking money down the road so we could sign some non-QB who wasn't going to impact how truly competitive we were anyway.

Honestly, that's how we got burned with Ben at the end. We restructured him on a short deal. Which meant that before his last extension with the dummy years he had the highest cap hit in the league.

I'm 100% for not manipulating the cap like this for non-QBs. Especially when you don't have a top 5-10 QB on your roster already.

Wait until you have a real chance to win before you burn the future.

 

I don't think the Eagles are worried about their future like in 2030s if the void years allow them to keep their core together and keep their Super Bowl window for as long as they can... And the salary cap goes up every year, too, so it'll be easier to pay when the void years contract is high.

I'm not worried about the Eagles.

As for the Steelers, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt on that right now, but if they have a loaded team at some point in the future, they'll have to use the void years if it help to keep the team together.

 

I will help them out: From the graph, you can clearly see that CLE is the model NFL franchise.

 

In principle I agree. But the long game could be decades and I (likely) won't be around when the rest of the NFL has to pay the piper. As long as the cap rises like it has (there seems no limit considering the TV/streaming deals) the rest of the league is taking advantage of the edge.

btw, we got burned with Roethlisberger because that contract was ill-advised from the start. Blame Rooney and his sentimentality.

 

I don't know about just 5th-year options, but OTC puts together a talent retention list each offseason, typically split between total retention and 'contributor retention' - players that get 30% or more of the unit's snaps.This year, the Steelers retained 67.2% of it's total roster, which represented the 10th-highest turnover in the league. Within their top contributors they retained 63.3%, the 5th-highest turnover rate.

To me this is a good sign for now, representing Khan flipping the roster after the poor drafting to close Colbert's tenure. But, I still maintain that next year's draft represents the crucial pivot point to Khan's success/failure. He's loaded up the picks, made some aggressive moves to re-do parts the roster, appears set to trade up for a QB. But if the players don't pan out - whether you want to blame it on scouting, development, or both - the org will to have to start over with their re-tooled version of a re-build.

Question marks remain with players already on board as well. Broderick Jones, Roman Wilson, Austin, Porter, Kaleb, have all either gotten off to slow starts or hit some bumps in the road. Fautanu, Harmon, and Black have showed glimpses, but in too small a sample to know anything yet. These are players brought in under Khan's watch, so if they're still amongst the bottom-10 in retention rate over the next couple of years the good sign turns into a black mark.

 

If you talk about only his last contract extension,I agree.....The other contracts he had was fine for the steelers

 

It will be interesting to see what happens, not sure where the investigation goes (if any), but while certainly different that NFL policies, the money coming in and the desire to win at any cost is going through nearly every facet and levels of our sports.

 

I see and agree with what you are saying, but I think the entire organization needs to come under banner. A good coach can only work with what he has, a GM provides those elements from his scouting department, the development comes from those hired by the GM, with strong impute if not complete from the HC. With all the things generated this year to be 'all in' (not saying Kahn used those exact words), and if the results are far less than expected (even setting a low mark if one PO win), does Art and Omar have the courage and conviction to say change is needed? Through it all we move very slow and change very little, no this is not a fire MT desire or thread, but Omar can have everything set up to draft and re-tain who he wants, you still need the entire backage and that middle part is far from ideal