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Pickett’s ceiling is not high enough

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by HueyWorley, Oct 1, 2023.

  1. jeh1856

    jeh1856 Happy Holidays Yinz Jagoffs

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    I get excited when this happens to me
     
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  2. mytake

    mytake Well-Known Member

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    Show me the 2023 chart and his completion percentage with it.
     
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  3. pczach

    pczach Well-Known Member

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  4. pczach

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    Kenny Pickett faces the highest amount of perfectly covered pass plays.

    Receivers are not open. It shows how awful the offensive system is.

    People want proof. There is proof in this post and the one above.
     
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  5. jeh1856

    jeh1856 Happy Holidays Yinz Jagoffs

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    He hits out patterns well which require arm strength

    He threw a pass against Baltimore that was about 60 yards in the air

    If you want to complain just to complain please at least be accurate
     
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  6. mytake

    mytake Well-Known Member

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    Not sure where I was complaining, but I must have been since you are complaining about it. Accuracy is a part of arm strength and should show up in completion percentage. Where does Pickett rank? Arm strength is about getting the balls caught that are thrown in tight windows, before the defense gets there to break up the pass.
     
  7. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    He has plenty of arm strength. That's the least of My worries. What the throwing tight windows shows is He is picking the wrong targets. People complain about TEs being used. For example.....He threw a check down last week with Washington almost HS open, and forced a short pass to A. Robinson after escaping a pretty clean pocket with Washington just NFL open. That's just two plays I'm bringing up. Go back ,and watch last week's game.
     
  8. jeh1856

    jeh1856 Happy Holidays Yinz Jagoffs

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    I see you elected to move the goalposts rather than admitting your false claim

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  9. BowToTroy43

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    1. I do not make the charts or know when they will be put out.
    2. The sample size would be too small to mean anything. Wait until 300 dropbacks occur.
     
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  10. HeinzMustard

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    Cowherd said Steelers should trade Watt, Pickens and future #1's for Caleb Williams. Caleb Williams just got his a$$ handed to him by mediocre Notre Dame. :lolol:
     
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  11. mytake

    mytake Well-Known Member

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    https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/advanced-stats-qb.php

    Here is a link that tells a lot of what is going on. While Pickett has had success in some areas, he has had 35 bad throws which ranks third in the league and averages 7 a game, which points to the accuracy issue he is having. Pickett is about 24th in completion percentage.
     
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  12. Thor

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    Pickett has shown some accuracy issues this year, but the more concerning issue to me right now is his habit of escaping from relatively clean pockets rather than staying with his progressions. At times he's missing open receivers, whether by turning away as they break open, or simply not seeing them altogether. I can understand his lack of trust in the pass protection to a degree, but it hasn't been horrific either (the FP link above even shows his pocket time in the same range as any other starter this year).

    This was something he was improving upon as the season progressed last year, but seems to have regressed with. I think it's having a hand with his accuracy as well.
     
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  13. Wardismvp

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    And looked terrible doing it. 3 int's
     
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  14. SteelerGlenn

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    Only thing I can figure is that Deer Season is approaching.
     
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  15. pczach

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    The time in the pocket to either throw the ball or get pressure is about league average at 2.4 seconds. The issue is that he is getting knocked down or hurried about as much as anyone in the NFL, and he has been blitzed at one of the lowest rates in the NFL. That means that defenses are applying that kind of pressure rushing just 4 defenders. The rest are in coverage.

    In post 153 and 154 of this thread just above, it shows that Pickett faces the most occurrences of perfect coverage. That is when every receiver is covered and there is literally no option open to him. His offensive system does not create separation enough and he is going through progressions without much being open. Because he is hardly blitzed, it shows that not only does he have the least amount of open receivers, but that he has to get rid of the ball in 2.4 seconds....and he is throwing into more coverage because defenses only have to rush 4, so Pickett has an extra man in coverage that he must throw into more often as well.

    It is a recipe for disaster offensively. They are setting him up for failure.

    Here is a link to advanced quarterback stats that shows some of what I'm talking about here. https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/advanced-stats-qb.php

    Remember what Tom Brady looked like when you got heavy pressure on him rushing just 4 and you could cover? He looked like a below average quarterback, and he may have been the best quarterback in the history of the NFL. When you put the entire picture together you can see that Pickett is in a horrible situation, and I think a quarterback with 17 starts that is up against what he is facing, backed up with stats, is enough to give the guy the benefit of the doubt and for fans to have a little patience with him.

    Kenny Pickett still needs to do some things better. There are receivers he is missing and there are some plays he isn't making. He bails from the pocket and has a pattern of going to his left. But when you really dig into the situation he is in, you can see that he is in a bad system that gets nobody open, with no running game, and bad offensive line play where defenses only need to rush 4 to harass the QB and put more players in coverage. Throw in horrible play calling with a ton of negative plays that has him in bad down-and-distance situations all the time and it's easy to see that any quarterback would struggle in his situation.

    If the system he is playing in gets better, Pickett will get much better.
     
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  16. Vox Ferrum

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    I think that's the crux of it, it's a blend of nightmares that culminate into this disaster we have in O. All of the things with Canada speak for themselves, the O line not performing is another (partly because of Canada"s scheme), running game nearly non=existent (partly due to O line running Canada's scheme), KP 's issues are his own, but I believe fixable but are exasperated by Canada's game plan, play calling, and offensive scheme.

    While the QB, RB's, WR;s, TE's and OL all have issues (fixable) the common denominator seems to fall on the one person responsible for the overall O, Canada. I'm not the brightest bulb, but give me 2 plus years seeing Canada call his system and I can figure it out, now will Art, Omar, and MT be brighter than me??? lol
     
  17. Vox Ferrum

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    A couple of analysts were talking about the QB draft next year. Both said there were a couple of guys they would choose before Caleb simply because of his style of play. In athleticism and pure talent he is fabulous, but the NFL level is more than making back yard plays. He may indeed learn and excel at the next level, but (as with many guys) needs the right system or he could be like many who went before him and failed. Unless he totally blows up he will still likely be the top 1 or 2, and it will be a wait and see if he holds out if drafted by a team he does not want to play for, but being spectacular in college does not necessarily mean you are going to do that in the NFL.
     
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  18. S.T.D

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    This....100%.
     
  19. Tiggs99

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    Brady was pretty accurate in short game and excellent in reading defenses. He knew where the weakness would be and where to go before the ball was snapped. His long ball was above average.
     

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