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Pickett’s ceiling is not high enough

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by HueyWorley, Oct 1, 2023.

  1. Hardini68

    Hardini68 Well-Known Member

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    You may be right Picket may not even be average lots of football heads that know way more then us think the best he can be is average
     
  2. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    He's still been in the NFL. LoL. I guess He hasn't practiced, and been on the practice squad. LoL. You are funny. A Guy has become a serviceable backup Qb in 7 years, and has His one win, and I'm supposed to admit.....what....that He's a serviceable backup Qb.....I already did. What do you want. You want Me to crown Him. LoL. Too funny. LoL. The man has played in 12 games, and started 6....with 3 different teams, and has won one game. What in the heck Do You want Me to admit. LoL
     
  3. Silverback

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    Oh well, worry on, because there's no way they AREN'T gonna do that very thing: give Kenny another chance no matter what. He was a Rooney pick and Rooney ain't gonna ding his reputation on his pick without a fight. Kenny is as good as a SURE thing next year. The Rooney way is SSSSSSSSSSSSSLLLLOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW.
     
  4. RipTydz

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    Problems I see is that Tomlin is a defensive minded head coach so when you are picking an OC you better pick good or move on quickly if things aren't headed in the right direction. Tomlin handcuffed himself to Canada when he kept him again this year. I understand it was to aid in Kenny's development but the offensive play calling and routes are high schoolish at best, and we saw that last year. They are taking too long to develop and I don't see any rubs or crossing routes to allow our WRs to come free.

    If you take for instance Houston's OC and rookie CJ Stroud, it is night and day. They game planned for the Steelers defense by misdirection, motions, screens, and quick passes to prevent the Steelers pass rush from affecting the games. I'd like to add that our slow DBs (Peterson) are always giving a cushion so these passes were working and their playmakers were get YAC. When Peterson came up to play close, he was flat footed and didn't even touch their WR who ran by him for a TD. So CJ Stroud looked good and stayed clean.
     
  5. Thor

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    I don't know that he's even hearing what he (or others) are saying in some of these arguments. He just keeps rambling and blames everybody else for not 'getting it'. I'm okay with admitting ignorance/misunderstanding to a point, but within reason. When the other person seems to continually move the goalposts around, go off on tangents, and LoL at me for it, I begin to lose interest.

    40 speed and arm strengths are not the only talents for a QB. Quick processing/vision is a talent. The ability to 'throw it to them correctly'/accuracy is a talent.

    You're arguing specific talents, which is fine. But the case being made above is about the combination of coaching and specific talents, which you rejected:

    But this is all word salad in the context of what Wolfpack was arguing about the combination of Purdy's specific talents meeting good coaching. I don't know why you're rambling about this as a counterpoint to that thought. Purdy very likely never sees the field in 2022 had injuries put Lance and Garoppolo on the sidelines. (Yes, Lance was around when Purdy was selected last in draft with their ninth selection, but I think it's fair to say he was seen more as lottery ticket/depth than challenger to Lance's starting role at that time.)
     
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  6. SteelerJJ

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    Pickett was drafted so late in rd 1 that I consider him a 2nd rounder. If he doesn’t work out it isn’t the end of the world. I am rooting for the guy. Maybe he was named starter in too quickly but he was so old coming out of college how long can one wait?
     
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  7. zcoop

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    That's the point I was trying to make Blast, the guy never got a chance to play in Pittsburgh, other than mop up duty.
     
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  8. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Yup. Dobbs easily could have been the backup QB on this team considering what he is doing in Arizona.

    Doesn’t mean he could have been the next franchise QB or that he will amount to anything more than average in Arizona, just means that when given the opportunity he seized it and is playing well. Thats too hard for some to admit though.
     
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  9. mikeyg

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    or maybe he just washes out of the NFL by 2025.

    we will see.....
     
  10. bleednblackngold

    bleednblackngold Well-Known Member

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    Sam Howell was ballin period yesterday. That's a good defense he almost beat at home.
     
  11. Steelpens65

    Steelpens65 Well-Known Member

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    I agree, other position players you give 3 years, you cant afford to keep a qb in there for 3 years that isn’t showing signs of improving.
     
  12. Steelpens65

    Steelpens65 Well-Known Member

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    Haha cant mold sh4t into gold!
     
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  13. Steelpens65

    Steelpens65 Well-Known Member

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    I dont think he wouldve been as successful as Purdy,but who knows
     
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  14. Steelpens65

    Steelpens65 Well-Known Member

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    Wonder how da Bears feel about Justin Fields! Hahaha
     
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  15. strummerfan

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    Better than claypool
     
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  16. Steelpens65

    Steelpens65 Well-Known Member

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    That team is a hot mess too!
     
  17. Da Stellars

    Da Stellars Well-Known Member

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    Pickett has regressed, I was way more optimistic last year.

    I think if he plays to his potential we can win a SB if we have a strong team around him ... ala Seashawks 'legion of boom'.
     
  18. S.T.D

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    Yeah OK. I think someone needs to reread what they wrote. Talk about rambling, and not saying anything. You know what I wrote.
    I wish You really would have lost interest, and not wasted My time. If You don't understand what I said You are not as intelligent as I thought. What does where Purdy was drafted have anything to do with they decided to keep Him over a Qb they spent 4 draft picks on. No matter how He started, and why they chose Him.....If coaching was the be all end all....You tell Me smart guy.....wouldn't You just keep the Guy you gave away so much on....instead of the Guy you didn't, and that just came off surgery???
    Stop trying to impress people, and get people on Your side. No matter what I am , or You think I am.....I don't waste My time taking a bunch of someone's quotes, and put them up try to get people to agree with me. I could care less who agrees with Me. Hell 80% of this board said Randy F was the problem they were for certain of it.....then most the same people said No it was Ben's fault why Canada scheme didn't work, and now most those same people a for certain it's all on Canada. Why would I care what those same people think??? LoL. I believe You were one of them. So ....addio dolore
     
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  19. Thor

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    Dude, I don't know what's changed with you since I was last here (end of last season), but back then you came across as a pretty good guy, rational-minded, respectful. Now it's like you've got some mammoth chip on your shoulder. I've got nothing against you; still think you're a pretty good guy. There is a big difference for me in attacking an argument, and the arguer. I may not agree with your argument on something, but I'm not attacking you. (FWIW, I did not get involved with the Fichtner/Ben/Canada debate, so I wasn't "one of them"... you seem to drag this one around to a lot of your arguments lately.)

    If you don't want to share productive discourse, why are you here? Is everybody just supposed to agree with you? I think we should be able to share passionate but respectful debate here. In my interactions with you recently you start getting bent fast if I challenge your view - and if I'm posting your quotes I'm trying to bottle the edges of what your railing on about so I and others can get on the same page with what you're trying to say. If all that is 'wasting your time', again, why are you here?

    I'm not trying to 'impress' anybody, get them on my side, whatever. I'm trying to foster passionate, civil discussion over Steelers football.
     
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  20. Steel_Elvis

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    You do realize there was no realistic way for us to move up for Stroud… or at least I hope you realize that. Houston was NOT moving down with their need at QB. If we didn’t draft a QB in ‘22, we would have - at best - been in the mix for trading up for Richardson. Then we could have had two games per year where Richardson and LJ compete to see who can be the first to 150 rush yards while their receivers get pissed off.

    I also wanted to do something other than taking a QB in the first round in ‘22. But the way things turned out, we would have had no realistic shot at Stroud (or Young). My guy in ‘22 for the ‘23 draft was Levis. Obviously he had a miserable season and tumbled down draft boards.
     
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  21. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    Well… I think that guy is making a point that ignores history. Joe Burrow was also just a regular dude until his last season. Jalen Hurts was mainly just a runner before his season with OU. Josh Allen was good, not great at a lower tier of competition. Many quality QBs only play one or two seasons as a starter in college. That guy’s point doesn’t hold up. I didn’t want Pickett, but the fact that he didn’t break out until his senior season wasn’t grounds for disqualification as a QB prospect.
     
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  22. S.T.D

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    I remember You wanting someone else:thumbs_up:, but like Me when We drafted KFP You got behind Him to support Him. I'm not as sure as the rest of You are We would have won as many games if Trubisky had played all year though. I keep saying Stroud because that Year that's what I was asking for was to draft a CB, and wait next year to draft Stroud.....who IMHO was the best Qb I've seen in about 5 years. Ah well It doesn't matter because it didn't happen. :shrug:
     
  23. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    LoL. You purposely took a few QUOTEs of Mine....which I wasn't even talking to You.....I was having a conversation with someone else, and attacked Me, and then ask what's wrong with Me. That's rich.:lolol: LoL . Your like the Guy that takes a swing at a Guy in the bar ....misses, and gets knocked out.....then wants to press charges. LoL
     
  24. Thor

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    That's cute. But you're actually getting things backwards. You're the one that keeps acting like nobody gets it but you. You whine about how you called things out 3+ years ago and nobody believed you, though nobody seems to know who those people were. You present some poorly-worded arguments but blame others trying to clarify as "not as intelligent as I thought". Given the state of some of your posts here recently, I really don't think not being in your circle of intelligence is a bad thing. Then you actually pout over being called out by another person on a public message board(!) and continue making personal attacks, further refusing to defend whatever argument you were trying to present in the first place.

    And I'm the one swinging and missing? Yeah. Wipe off the peanut shells when you get back up, there.....ace.
     
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  25. Ray D

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    Maybe Kenny isn't the answer. Maybe he's a bust. He certainly hasn't been good so far.

    But we're putting the cart in front of the horse. This isn't the early 90s debating Brister or O'Donnell. This isn't the late 90s-early 2000s debating Kordell's merits or if we'd be better off with Tomczak or Maddox or whatever other stiff they brought in. There was a big difference in those times: The QB was really the only thing holding us back most of those years. We were solid otherwise top to bottom.

    Now, we're arguing if the horse is lame. Meanwhile, the whole barn is on fire. The ranch manager doesn't even know how hoses work. And the fire marshal is outside ranting about popcorn and splash plays.

    Kenny is the least of our worries. On the list of crap that needs fixing, he's not in the top 5.
     
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