Other than Tomlin who......

Here is how I see it ...

After the Lions game and when some folks here thought things had been "turned around", to paraphrase they basically said .... look out now, Tomlin is in control of this team. Well, if his in control of this team and he gets the accolades after a 37-27 win vs the Lions, then shouldn't he also be taking the blame/heat for the team's poor performance during our last two losses?

I have seen the small holes in Tomlin's game (for lack of better word) grow, especially when the wheels started to come off mid-season last year. Since then, this team's play has become more more incosistant, and the holes in Tomlin's game have grown much larger. Let's face it, the wheels totally fell of this team in this preseason, and the coaching staff/FO has been trying to put them back on ever since.

Though the blame isn't totally Tomlin's to bear, my observations tell me he isn't a team builder/repairer, at least not yet. In Tomlin's defense, this may be likely his 1st real attempt at doing that. Then comes Tomlin's sideline blunder last week, that is unacceptable, though possibly a bit understandable based on what all Tomlin has been thru this year.

The straw that broke this camel's back wasn't that sideline blunder, but rather Tomlin's "sideline presser" in response to it. Tomlin lied or mislead at least twice during that interview and what's perhaps even worse, he apologized to the NFL, to the Rooneys, but never once to the Steeler fans or the city of Pittsburgh.

Instead, Tomlin chose to apologize to those that ~know him directly~ and basically said that he could care less what anyone else thinks about him. Sorry, but IMO that's one arrogant, egotistical person in my book. If you think I'm wrong, that's fine, but you owe it to yourselves to give very a carefull re-listen to Tomlin's sideline presser.

Trust me, if I lived in Pittsburgh, you can bet your ass a six pack of this ...
http://www.stonebrew.com/arrogantbastard/
... would somehow mysteriously show up on Tomlin's doorstep over the Christmas holidays.

 

we dont have 4-3 personnel ...it would be2 years of rebuilding the d

 

so he is being judged on how he talks to the media? who cares? look at the coach everyone around here talks to media, belicheat. he is not a perfect coach but who is? there is nobody out there who we can get that would be an upgrade and that comes from people who know the game a lot better than I do. I don't want to be the redskins or bills. if you can look at the injuries and the fact that these guys on defense have lost a step and blame that on tomlin, I guess I don't get it.

 

I'm with you. I don't see anyone out there that I would want to coach this team. I defninitely don't want a college coach. Tomlin makes mistakes just like the rest of the coaches out there. He's kept this team together for the most part when probably any other team would have fell apart. See Redskins and Texans as examples.

 

Sir we are approaching back to back season loses and terminating CT has been the public opinion for sometime now. This is a business and the head coach must take upon his shoulders the reponsibilty for the wins and loses. One can not help but see the leadership disfunction we been having basically over the past three years. Change has to be made and to your words..The Steelers have relied on stability for over 40 years...Where is that stability? or in my words consistency in wins. Do you have a recipe for getting back to Steeler football?

 

I hear you. When the team is bad we all have to get stuff off our chests. At least we have this forum. The last time the team was this bad two years running all I could do was throw my Steelers Digest.

 

again the problem is not win and loss but his apport to the team , the players are left alone , before there were the veterans and the team were well conducted by them now that they are gone we are between the waves without a guide . tomlin is only here as a pubblic image , and i suspect he is failing in this department too

 

we ran it pretty successfully and had players in place that could run the system before now. there was no room for new players anyway. we were still a top defense every year. there is nothing wrong with DLB's system. it works when you have the players and they are young and hungry.

maybe we should be looking at the guy that's the head of this team for the rooney's and other owners. he put these players in place. he put these coaches in place. yet we call for the head of a guy that has his defense is near the top every year.

he's not developing players fast enough. he's outdated. we need butler. we lose all our good players. like who? it's the same defense and DC that developed the ones that are old now and were at the top and were put in started young.

it's not the DC's fault that we can't keep young players, he didn't sell the farm in years past to bring us to the point of losing young talent. no he did the best with what is given him. he's been pretty successful at it too.

when reporters asked ben why didn't you run the ball and go to bell in the 2nd half more after the success in the first half, ben said todd is over there, why don't you go ask him. I've never heard any defensive player say that about lebeau.

 

I agree with you bro. But this system must be to complicated for the younger players coming out of college. With today's free agency and the way rookie contracts are constructed, these guys must learn the system in two years tops. That's why we hold on to veterans for to long when they should of been gone.

I am a Lebeau fan from the day he came back to us, but if they guys aren't learning the system or taking them 4 years to learn it, we need a new system.

 

Ok i'll play..say Tomlin stays another yr. How do you think he will tackle the teams issues at hand ref. getting back to playoffs and another championship. I know will have a good draft but talking the current seniors on roster the handicaps (injury prone's) along with current players that's just not capable of NFL play? Got to remember Tomlin had a good inheritance of players when he walked in..seems now that most are gone he's troubled lost with no direction no?

 

We see this often, where a new coach comes in and has success. Nothing wrong with Lebeau or his system, for various reasons, it just isn't working anymore.

I'm not so sure we need a slippery rb, Bell is a 3 down back who needs more than 16 carries per game. Besides, I think we have enough talent at RB right now, we would be better off drafting for other needs.

Once again, no disrespect to DL, but what would Tomlin's D look like if DL was not the coordinator?

 

Heyward, Jarvis Jones and Hood can play the 4-3, and likely others. It's not hard to find other DL to bring in. The Raiders entire defence with the exception of Lamaar Houston were on other teams last year. 10 of 11 starters were on other teams last year and they have a better defence than us. So don't tell me we don't have the personnel. We do have the personnel and what personnel we don't have we can bring in.

Besides, even if it was a 2 year rebuild, it's not like we're not facing a rebuild on the defence anyway. Look at what a fat, white RB just did to this defence.

 

Let's see:

Woodley, Heyward, McCleadon, (Need a passing rushing DE)

Timmons, Vince Williams, Jarvis Jones

Cordez Allen, William Gay, Sharmarko Thomas and Troy

if Ike and Clark are gone.


It might work but I'm a 3-4 type of guy.

 

Definitely all the coordinators need to go. And if they won't fire Tomlin, please hire a game managing coach and a clock manager. This is ridiculous.

 

... and let Danny Smith handle all the post game pressers, PLEASE.

 

Thanks for your response! and agree with most...

Noticed you didn't hit on the offense are you fine with the player's despite the injuries? We shuffled 3 centers already not to mention the tackles. What's your take on this offense do we have an extended issue with conditioning? or dealing with a bunch of weak kneed mama's boys.

 

"Tomlin was selected by Vikings' head coach Brad Childress to be his defensive coordinator in 2006. Two of the players on the Vikings were older than Tomlin, and Tomlin had been a teammate of Vikings' safety Darren Sharper at William and Mary. The 2006 Vikings finished with the NFL's eighth-best overall defense, but had the unusual distinction of finishing as the top-ranked defense against the run,and the worst-ranked defense against the pass.[SUP]"[/SUP]

Come on, heck Tomlin was only a DC in Minnesota for 1 year. Hardly enough time to proove how good or bad he was as a DC, especially in building a defense. Now he's facing a dilemma as how to help at least partially rebuild an entire team.