NO FB???

did you not read my post! god its not hard to understand i said HE IS NOT A TRUE FB HE IS A BIG BACK WHO THEY PUT IN AT GOAL LINE WHO THEY LIST AT FB HE ISNT A TRUE BUST YOU IN THE MOUTH BLOCKING FB [/quote:3rrpsi93]

I'm not going to waste my time arguing with a TRUE IDIOT...as they say when you do that nobody can tell who the TRUE IDIOT really is. But what I will say is you need to learn how to act and respond to people on an MB...this is why people really start to dislike you (as I of course already do)...typing in all caps...cursing at/toward people...and just really acting like a no it all d**khead (to put it plainly). Anytime anybody disagrees with you about something you just seem to go off the deep end and start acting like a jerk to them...its like you are the know all be all and everything you say is fact...well its not...and your often wrong. You need to relax and treat people a little better on here and not get so defensive/etc (anytime someone questions/disputes what you say/do) or you may be finding your time here on the MB short lived.

Anyways...back to the topic at hand...just needed to say that.[/quote:3rrpsi93]
first pot calling the kettle black you always have something smart ass to say to everyone! two oh dear god no some random dbag on the net dont like me how will i be abel to sleep tonite :?

 

great post! X 10 im not against a FB dont think anyone is if it helps the team i just hate when everyone acts like the O is nothing without one and give bad ex like Khun who is just a big back like what we already have and like i said the running game hasnt been suffering from lack of a FB like people say its because we have had NO line

 

don't forget tim lester. :-D

john L. was the best type to have. he could cary the ball, catch the ball and block. he was very capable at all 3 functions. now all we have to do is find his clone.

 

I know its not a huge asking but if our running game can go from 2-3 yard pick ups to 3-5 yard picks up per attempt id be more than happy with that to start

 

I know its not a huge asking but if our running game can go from 2-3 yard pick ups to 3-5 yard picks up per attempt id be more than happy with that to start[/quote:3l8r1fla]

Steelers rush averages under Arians
2011 4.4 (best average since 2001)
2010 4.1
2009 4.2
2008 3.7
2007 4.2

Cowher
2006 4.2
2005 4.0
2004 4.0
2003 3.3
2002 4.1
2001 4.8

Bettis only had 3 seasons out of 10(with the Steelers) where he averaged 4 ypc or better. Stats don't mean every thing but the things that make ya go hmmmm.

 

did you not read my post! god its not hard to understand i said HE IS NOT A TRUE FB HE IS A BIG BACK WHO THEY PUT IN AT GOAL LINE WHO THEY LIST AT FB HE ISNT A TRUE BUST YOU IN THE MOUTH BLOCKING FB [/quote:3kktw2pt]

I'm not going to waste my time arguing with a TRUE IDIOT...as they say when you do that nobody can tell who the TRUE IDIOT really is. But what I will say is you need to learn how to act and respond to people on an MB...this is why people really start to dislike you (as I of course already do)...typing in all caps...cursing at/toward people...and just really acting like a no it all d**khead (to put it plainly). Anytime anybody disagrees with you about something you just seem to go off the deep end and start acting like a jerk to them...its like you are the know all be all and everything you say is fact...well its not...and your often wrong. You need to relax and treat people a little better on here and not get so defensive/etc (anytime someone questions/disputes what you say/do) or you may be finding your time here on the MB short lived.

Anyways...back to the topic at hand...just needed to say that.[/quote:3kktw2pt]
first pot calling the kettle black you always have something smart ass to say to everyone! two oh dear god no some random dbag on the net dont like me how will i be abel to sleep tonite :?[/quote:3kktw2pt]

This is the last message off the thread topic I will post. Yes I'm a smart ass and at times brutally honest...most (esp the long time members from the other MB) know this and accept this by now. But comparing that to how you act in a number of your replies in other posts and especially here. You need to learn some MB etiquette...posting in ALL CAPS is the equivalent of yelling at someone face to face...cursing even with putting *** is just well bad in general...yes I say ass, damn or hell at times...but you dont see me even putting the *** for the "big 3" (as some would say) curse words...also in one post you used "J.C."...while to me this isnt offensive...but there are a number of (more religious) people out there that talking like that could be offensive to them. And of course last but not least...the whole attitude that everyone else is wrong and you are right...and no matter what logic (good or bad) someone uses to dispute what you say (even if its right) you talk down to them and argue. Now of course we all have our own opinions...but there is no need to argue/act the way you do...you can explain and get your point/ideas across in a proper/more civil manner than how a lot of your posts go when someone disagrees with you. Like I said before unless you improve the way you act...you're going to make a lot of enemies here and theres a good chance you could permanently be shown the door.

Ok now I'm done TFF!

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Yes for getting a real FB....

 

did you not read my post! god its not hard to understand i said HE IS NOT A TRUE FB HE IS A BIG BACK WHO THEY PUT IN AT GOAL LINE WHO THEY LIST AT FB HE ISNT A TRUE BUST YOU IN THE MOUTH BLOCKING FB [/quote:3htn43qy]

I'm not going to waste my time arguing with a TRUE IDIOT...as they say when you do that nobody can tell who the TRUE IDIOT really is. But what I will say is you need to learn how to act and respond to people on an MB...this is why people really start to dislike you (as I of course already do)...typing in all caps...cursing at/toward people...and just really acting like a no it all d**khead (to put it plainly). Anytime anybody disagrees with you about something you just seem to go off the deep end and start acting like a jerk to them...its like you are the know all be all and everything you say is fact...well its not...and your often wrong. You need to relax and treat people a little better on here and not get so defensive/etc (anytime someone questions/disputes what you say/do) or you may be finding your time here on the MB short lived.

Anyways...back to the topic at hand...just needed to say that.[/quote:3htn43qy]
first pot calling the kettle black you always have something smart ass to say to everyone! two oh dear god no some random dbag on the net dont like me how will i be abel to sleep tonite :?[/quote:3htn43qy]

This is the last message off the thread topic I will post. Yes I'm a smart ass and at times brutally honest...most (esp the long time members from the other MB) know this and accept this by now. But comparing that to how you act in a number of your replies in other posts and especially here. You need to learn some MB etiquette...posting in ALL CAPS is the equivalent of yelling at someone face to face...cursing even with putting *** is just well bad in general...yes I say ass, damn or hell at times...but you dont see me even putting the *** for the "big 3" (as some would say) curse words...also in one post you used "J.C."...while to me this isnt offensive...but there are a number of (more religious) people out there that talking like that could be offensive to them. And of course last but not least...the whole attitude that everyone else is wrong and you are right...and no matter what logic (good or bad) someone uses to dispute what you say (even if its right) you talk down to them and argue. Now of course we all have our own opinions...but there is no need to argue/act the way you do...you can explain and get your point/ideas across in a proper/more civil manner than how a lot of your posts go when someone disagrees with you. Like I said before unless you improve the way you act...you're going to make a lot of enemies here and theres a good chance you could permanently be shown the door.

Ok now I'm done TFF!

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Yes for getting a real FB....[/quote:3htn43qy]


AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH I have no Drama in real life this MB and the old one supply good quality entertainment at times though ! you boys ready for 3 5 minute rounds yet ?

 

did you not read my post! god its not hard to understand i said HE IS NOT A TRUE FB HE IS A BIG BACK WHO THEY PUT IN AT GOAL LINE WHO THEY LIST AT FB HE ISNT A TRUE BUST YOU IN THE MOUTH BLOCKING FB [/quote:38spt596]

I'm not going to waste my time arguing with a TRUE IDIOT...as they say when you do that nobody can tell who the TRUE IDIOT really is. But what I will say is you need to learn how to act and respond to people on an MB...this is why people really start to dislike you (as I of course already do)...typing in all caps...cursing at/toward people...and just really acting like a no it all d**khead (to put it plainly). Anytime anybody disagrees with you about something you just seem to go off the deep end and start acting like a jerk to them...its like you are the know all be all and everything you say is fact...well its not...and your often wrong. You need to relax and treat people a little better on here and not get so defensive/etc (anytime someone questions/disputes what you say/do) or you may be finding your time here on the MB short lived.

Anyways...back to the topic at hand...just needed to say that.[/quote:38spt596]
first pot calling the kettle black you always have something smart ass to say to everyone! two oh dear god no some random dbag on the net dont like me how will i be abel to sleep tonite :?[/quote:38spt596]

This is the last message off the thread topic I will post. Yes I'm a smart ass and at times brutally honest...most (esp the long time members from the other MB) know this and accept this by now. But comparing that to how you act in a number of your replies in other posts and especially here. You need to learn some MB etiquette...posting in ALL CAPS is the equivalent of yelling at someone face to face...cursing even with putting *** is just well bad in general...yes I say ass, damn or hell at times...but you dont see me even putting the *** for the "big 3" (as some would say) curse words...also in one post you used "J.C."...while to me this isnt offensive...but there are a number of (more religious) people out there that talking like that could be offensive to them. And of course last but not least...the whole attitude that everyone else is wrong and you are right...and no matter what logic (good or bad) someone uses to dispute what you say (even if its right) you talk down to them and argue. Now of course we all have our own opinions...but there is no need to argue/act the way you do...you can explain and get your point/ideas across in a proper/more civil manner than how a lot of your posts go when someone disagrees with you. Like I said before unless you improve the way you act...you're going to make a lot of enemies here and theres a good chance you could permanently be shown the door.

Ok now I'm done TFF!

------------------------

Yes for getting a real FB....[/quote:38spt596]


AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH I have no Drama in real life this MB and the old one supply good quality entertainment at times though ! you boys ready for 3 5 minute rounds yet ?[/quote:38spt596]


Haha...yes...yes it does...and nah...as I said i dont feel like wasting anymore time going back on forth off topic here...so whatever to him...I've said my piece (and I know others agree) and thats that.

 

I know its not a huge asking but if our running game can go from 2-3 yard pick ups to 3-5 yard picks up per attempt id be more than happy with that to start[/quote:2z88kzj2]

Steelers rush averages under Arians
2011 4.4 (best average since 2001)
2010 4.1
2009 4.2
2008 3.7
2007 4.2

Cowher
2006 4.2
2005 4.0
2004 4.0
2003 3.3
2002 4.1
2001 4.8

Bettis only had 3 seasons out of 10(with the Steelers) where he averaged 4 ypc or better. Stats don't mean every thing but the things that make ya go hmmmm.[/quote:2z88kzj2]


nice stat line drop ! I am referring not to yearly totals but to actually watching a game seeing medny dance and than fall forward for 1,2,2.5 yards im pumped to see a bigger ground game under haley

 

did you not read my post! god its not hard to understand i said HE IS NOT A TRUE FB HE IS A BIG BACK WHO THEY PUT IN AT GOAL LINE WHO THEY LIST AT FB HE ISNT A TRUE BUST YOU IN THE MOUTH BLOCKING FB [/quote:34dn2q6p]

I'm not going to waste my time arguing with a TRUE IDIOT...as they say when you do that nobody can tell who the TRUE IDIOT really is. But what I will say is you need to learn how to act and respond to people on an MB...this is why people really start to dislike you (as I of course already do)...typing in all caps...cursing at/toward people...and just really acting like a no it all d**khead (to put it plainly). Anytime anybody disagrees with you about something you just seem to go off the deep end and start acting like a jerk to them...its like you are the know all be all and everything you say is fact...well its not...and your often wrong. You need to relax and treat people a little better on here and not get so defensive/etc (anytime someone questions/disputes what you say/do) or you may be finding your time here on the MB short lived.

Anyways...back to the topic at hand...just needed to say that.[/quote:34dn2q6p]
first pot calling the kettle black you always have something smart ass to say to everyone! two oh dear god no some random dbag on the net dont like me how will i be abel to sleep tonite :?[/quote:34dn2q6p]

This is the last message off the thread topic I will post. Yes I'm a smart ass and at times brutally honest...most (esp the long time members from the other MB) know this and accept this by now. But comparing that to how you act in a number of your replies in other posts and especially here. You need to learn some MB etiquette...posting in ALL CAPS is the equivalent of yelling at someone face to face...cursing even with putting *** is just well bad in general...yes I say ass, damn or hell at times...but you dont see me even putting the *** for the "big 3" (as some would say) curse words...also in one post you used "J.C."...while to me this isnt offensive...but there are a number of (more religious) people out there that talking like that could be offensive to them. And of course last but not least...the whole attitude that everyone else is wrong and you are right...and no matter what logic (good or bad) someone uses to dispute what you say (even if its right) you talk down to them and argue. Now of course we all have our own opinions...but there is no need to argue/act the way you do...you can explain and get your point/ideas across in a proper/more civil manner than how a lot of your posts go when someone disagrees with you. Like I said before unless you improve the way you act...you're going to make a lot of enemies here and theres a good chance you could permanently be shown the door.

Ok now I'm done TFF!

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Yes for getting a real FB....[/quote:34dn2q6p]
wow really someone sure like to hear himself talk! SMH yes i posted words in caps to put emphasis on them when someone trys to put words in my mouth go reread it! never cursed at anyone only cusre would i said was **** unlike you who call me a dick and talked down to me guess what ever makes you feel big! LOL like i said not going to loose sleep over it! i argue? isnt that the whole POINT of a MB? MB etiquette? really? you mean like highjacking this thread and flamming me like you so clearly did! and last time i checked your not a mod so quit trying to act like one again what ever makes your life worthwhile! keep saying other dont like me? oh i forgot your the end all kno all be all lol

 

We'd all love it but obviouly a FB is migrating into a solid blocking tight end out of the backfield the days of true FB are nearly at an end...not there yet but nearly *-*******C'MON REVIVAL !!!!!

 

I know its not a huge asking but if our running game can go from 2-3 yard pick ups to 3-5 yard picks up per attempt id be more than happy with that to start[/quote:1f9ayejd]

Steelers rush averages under Arians
2011 4.4 (best average since 2001)
2010 4.1
2009 4.2
2008 3.7
2007 4.2

Cowher
2006 4.2
2005 4.0
2004 4.0
2003 3.3
2002 4.1
2001 4.8

Bettis only had 3 seasons out of 10(with the Steelers) where he averaged 4 ypc or better. Stats don't mean every thing but the things that make ya go hmmmm.[/quote:1f9ayejd]


nice stat line drop ! I am referring not to yearly totals but to actually watching a game seeing medny dance and than fall forward for 1,2,2.5 yards im pumped to see a bigger ground game under haley[/quote:1f9ayejd]


Yes, people not year long stat's, Situational Football! How many of you during Mendy's great year had any confidence the run game could pick of a 3rd and 3 or 3rd and 2 to close out a game up by 3 with 2:10 on the clock?

 

Aye, but for me that had more to do with the line and the play calling than the runner. It's not like Mendy saw a hole, stopped and did a jig, then got hit.

Stats are a blunt instrument, and Lizard is right that it'd the situation that matters. But that works both ways - for example, I remember the fumble in the Packers superbowl, and don't really remember any other run that he did. Does that mean he played badly? No - it just means that one run in particular sticks in my mind. I think what the stats show in this case is that the whole "Mendy dancing" thing is down to perception rather than fact.

 

I think the stats would be more revealing if they were put side by side with rushing attempts per game. A higher attempts per game will have the effect of lowering the overall yards per carry. So if you take a run heavy offense like what they ran during the Bettis in his prime era vs the more pass happy Mendenhall era the stats on yards per carry will look close where as the yards per attempt might be slightly higher for Mendenhall because he does do more in fewer attempts than Bettis who had lots of short gains early in games which lead to bigger gains later but still more attempts. I think I have that right, does anyone understand what I am getting at?

 

there was THAT PLAY , that most people remember. do any remember in that game the drive down the whole field for a TD that we didn't throw one pass? none,zero,ziltch.

look at those stats and figure what years krieder was still here but not playing much and was mostly hurt. at least his last 2 and more like 3, or at least 3 out of 4. it doesn't seem like the average dropped alot. as we know, though stats can be misleading sometimes. i for one like a FB. either type, smash em' up krieder/lester style or i prefer the john L. williams type, an actual bonafied RB/FB.

i also remember alot of people calling to get rid of the bus because he was washed up and to old and to fat to be effective anymore, even though at a few points they were right,but. then there were the people saying willie can't run between the tackles and he was a speed guy only. willies trouble was he didn't put it in the EZ much.

good line, bad line,FB, no FB. we still run the ball fairly well, but we have made our RB's one demensional. have we gotten out of the bettis/parker mode yet? forcing the ball up the middle and then trying to bounce one off tackle for the big hit. we are not very creative in getting the ball to our backs in any other form. we can't run a decent screen to save our azzez. that used to be one of the strong points of the steelers. then we made a living off of traps and counters in the run game. we would run a trap when they knew we were going to run a trap play, and they still couldn't stop it. why have we gotten away from this? coaching phylosophy maybe? coaching know how and ability to help an OC in the use of players?

i like kirby and all, but i think hoak had a better handle on the RB's and the OC then we do now. similar to our WR's coaching change. this is exactly where scottie montgomery is going to miss hines ward, because scottie doesn't have his assistant coach here anymore and he's on his own this year. his saving grace is pure talent in the players. hoak was a big hit to the system. he kept some of the offense in check, i believe. he had the time in, the noted success and credentials to allow him to be a bigger part of the offensive plan at least, and be listened to.

 

Funnily enough, I was thinking about Hoak the other day. What you say here is true, I believe.

 

Yeah - the issue for us recently has been that we can't run the ball out in the 4th quarter. When Bettis was running, the idea was that he would basically beat the defense up in the first half, and that softened them for the second half. So if we want to use the running game party as a tool to dominate possession in the closing stages of a game, then we need to be thinking about this in the first half. But what you say about the pass happy era skewing this philosophy is true.

 

i added a little more to the end to clarify. to me hoak was another OC for the team in game planning and personnel usedge. right now and for the last few years, we have lost alot of football knowledge.

i'm not so sure coaches work as well with each other , or they just don't actually know how to work and communicate with each other. it just seems like every coach has his stuff and will wait to become a coordinator while trying to learn. we don't have the long time seen it all assistants on offense like we do on defense. this is why we are so consistant on defense year in and year out. haley seems like a guy that wants things his way. BA had that luxary his last few years. i didn't see that mesh with BA and kirby and scottie. i don't see it yet on that side of the ball, like we have with DLB, mitchell, butler and now lake. without hoak, the O was much more thought out as a unit, i guess is what i'm trying to sum up. we do go through the coaches here over the years.

 

We had the best of both worlds with 36. We needed 3 he got it. We needed him to bounce outside and get 8 he did that.We got spoiled.We had a RB with a FB body and mentality.Thats what 36 did for us!!

 

Even with a mighty FB leading the way the Texans managed all of 0.1 yards per carry more than the Steelers. Maybe it's just me, but that's hardly worth using a roster spot on what is essentially a one dimensional player. That converted WR Will Johnson could be very interesting out of the HB/TE position(4.45 speed, solid hands).