NO FB???

Not D. Johnson.... :hello:

HACK

 

So the days of the fullback are over but the last two Super Bowl winners each had very, very effective fullbacks. Yep, those days are gone all right.

 

The whole idea behind the H-back is to have someone who can block but also has the ability to be a threat in the passing game. Johnson is not competent at either ,So whats the point? We need a major upgrade at that position.

 

A true fullback can be worth 4 TD's themselves and be responsible for 22 first downs if used correctly. JMO.
Time to take a page out of the old 85 Bears and put Hampton in there.

 

Our major upgrade is already on the roster, in David Johnson! He was the upgrade to John Kuhn, whether by BA's doing or not, and I would say that Kuhn was the last of the closest thing we'll ever see to a FB. It's really unfortunate since Kuhn was recently named as a top-100 player in the NFL, voted on by players, whereas David Johnson, the TE/HB hybrid that many claim to be better than a traditional FB, probably garnered as many votes as Sean Mahan.

I'm confident in saying that by having a traditional FB on our roster and by ditching David Johnson our running game, and as a result our passing game, would be more effective.

Like Deljzc's argument against the validity of pouring resources into a punter, our own HugeSnack has consistently voiced the most logical case for employing a competent FB. I don't understand why there is opposition to the idea of removing Johnson from our roster, who does nothing well, in favor of a FB who simply blocks well.

 

I prefer at least someone who is a threat to carry or catch it.....just to keep the defense honest....and not playing 11 on 10 like they do with DJ in the game.

You know he is not getting a hand off...and only occasionally gets thrown at....you really can ignore him for the most part.


HACK

 

Kuhn was actually a HB in college I believe, so I don't know if he is a true FB. Steelers were just trying to old him into one.

I agree David Johnson going out on routes is pretty painful to watch. He isn't a threat to do anything. Definitely could be upgraded.

Man that young FB the Superbowl winning Giants have is killer, wish he was on our team!!!!

 

I'm talking ACTUAL FBs...not an Hback or a TE or anybody else that lines up there.

 

read what i said SMDH I NEVER SAID full back position should be eliminated!

 

did you not read my post! god its not hard to understand i said HE IS NOT A TRUE FB HE IS A BIG BACK WHO THEY PUT IN AT GOAL LINE WHO THEY LIST AT FB HE ISNT A TRUE BUST YOU IN THE MOUTH BLOCKING FB

 

OMG, what is the misunderstaing abot wanting a true FB for our offense. Plain and simple, its needed. There are already so many good arguments in this post about needing a true FB that support it.

As far as SteelMojo not thinking that John Khun of the Packers not a true FB, thats insane. He is a true FB who made the Pro Bowl and also was voted by the players as one of the top 100 players in 2011. The guy is good and Green Bay used him properly. Bruce Arians and the Steelers got rid of him. That was crazy. Look what he has accomplished and look where he is now. So much for the Steelers running him out of town.

And the answer to the question of this post, YES, they need a true FB on the team. Someone who can block like a true FB, identify the proper person to block on a play, unlike D. Johnson who is worthless. How many passes did D. Johnson catch last year? How many TD's did he score? How many times did he run the ball? How did he help the offense? I say nothing to all questions. Nothing nada!!!!

Again, I say he is worthless so why not get a true FB who can come in and be productive like Khun of the Packers. We drafted this new speed back out of Florida, Chris Rainey, why not get someone who can lead the way for him properly and not a D. Johnson who got Mendenhall killed in the Super Bowl against the Packers.

I to long for the days of John L. Williams, Jon Whitman, Dan Krieder, and John Khun. We can still have a stellar passing game, but our running game would be great. I remember the days of Bettis in the 4th quarter just chewing up first downs and running the clock while the defense was on the sidelines watching the offense move the ball up and down the field. I long for that.

They also drafted another TE, David Paulson from Oregon. I hope that means the D. Johnson era is over along with Casey Hampton and the money they have wasted on him. His replacemnt was also drafted in NT Ta'amu, Alameda. Lets say farewell to Big Snack and welcome to Alameda!!!! Save a few million to get Wallace signed!!

 

Yes we need a FB or battering ram of a RB that can make that 1st and/or goal even when Ray Lewis and gang knows he's coming. I've posted this same response on the old board many times but the real problem is we're missing the Bus. We know it, the team knows it, our division rivals knows it, and yes, so does our staff. Problem is, a Bettis comes around once in a decade and you just don't find him year to year. They're trying. Haven't we seen the numerous failures that have emerged trying to find him. Frank the Tank anyone???

So yes, Tomlin and gang know it and they're looking. The search continues but if Mr potential was there they would've taken him in a heartbeat and we would all be talking about him now. No, it does not, nor should it forego the pass in today's game. That's the future for now but like every other part of a fine machine, it will only compliment the pass and make it even better by keeping the front opposing D honest.

 

did you not read my post! god its not hard to understand i said HE IS NOT A TRUE FB HE IS A BIG BACK WHO THEY PUT IN AT GOAL LINE WHO THEY LIST AT FB HE ISNT A TRUE BUST YOU IN THE MOUTH BLOCKING FB [/quote:1oeudfh4]
Uhh, that's called a fullback. They don't always have to road grade the guy, but be competent enough to make the correct block for his HB and get there more often than not.

 

jesus christ he ISNT a TRUE FB he made the Pro Bowl because he got ALOT of TDS because he is there big goal line back

 

did you not read my post! god its not hard to understand i said HE IS NOT A TRUE FB HE IS A BIG BACK WHO THEY PUT IN AT GOAL LINE WHO THEY LIST AT FB HE ISNT A TRUE BUST YOU IN THE MOUTH BLOCKING FB [/quote:1lo9pi1p]
Uhh, that's called a fullback. They don't always have to road grade the guy, but be competent enough to make the correct block for his HB and get there more often than not.[/quote:1lo9pi1p]
no its not if thats the case Bettis was the best damn FB to play the game SMDH everyone keeps saying TRUE TRUE TRUE FB a true fb BLOCKS get the ball a few times a year (how many times you remember Tim Lester carring the ball?) how many times you seen John Khun laying down a monster block? MY POINT IS WE HAVE BIG BACKS ON THE ROSTER THAT COULD BE JUST AS GOOD OR NOT BETTER THEN BIG JOHN IF WE USED THEM LIKE THE PACKERS USE HIM! and another thing everyone says our run game suffers from lack of a true FB it had nothing to do with the ****ty O Line we have had for years? yea right

 

did you not read my post! god its not hard to understand i said HE IS NOT A TRUE FB HE IS A BIG BACK WHO THEY PUT IN AT GOAL LINE WHO THEY LIST AT FB HE ISNT A TRUE BUST YOU IN THE MOUTH BLOCKING FB [/quote:1yo2luuv]

I'm not going to waste my time arguing with a TRUE IDIOT...as they say when you do that nobody can tell who the TRUE IDIOT really is. But what I will say is you need to learn how to act and respond to people on an MB...this is why people really start to dislike you (as I of course already do)...typing in all caps...cursing at/toward people...and just really acting like a no it all d**khead (to put it plainly). Anytime anybody disagrees with you about something you just seem to go off the deep end and start acting like a jerk to them...its like you are the know all be all and everything you say is fact...well its not...and your often wrong. You need to relax and treat people a little better on here and not get so defensive/etc (anytime someone questions/disputes what you say/do) or you may be finding your time here on the MB short lived.

Anyways...back to the topic at hand...just needed to say that.

 

I don't know why teams waste roter spots on kickers. Those guys are useless in the passing game!

People, it's simple. The Steelers use a fullback on most of their running plays already. So stop acting like it will hurt our passing game. Since 2007, those guys have undeniably been bad blockers, but superior in the land of receiving, running, athleticism, etc. To those of you who like this H-back approach, I ask you: Was sacrificing our running game worth the added weaponry brought by Carey Davis and David Johnson? Would it interest you to know Dan Kreider has better stats than both of those guys?

Some of us believe the lead block at the point of attack is an important thing. Cry "passing league" all you want, running is still almost half the offense, including many extremely crucial plays, and the lead blocker is a crucial part of that half. I can't believe anyone wants to cut the knees off of it for... what? 100 extra YAC per season from an H-back? IF he's good? I'm pretty sure a blocking fullback would earn us a hell of a lot more than that, plus more touchdowns.

So stop acting like using a roster spot to help half of our offense will bring down your beloved pass plays. And if you must have your H-back, why not keep both? Or is Arnaz Battle more important? And stop acting like that's what fullbacks do, bring passing attacks back to the stoneage. Don't tell anyone, but a better running game makes the passing game better.

 

Very well said!

 

It's funny how some of the same people who blamed Arians for not having a fullback and saying that Johnson was no good as a hybrid, are now saying it's ok, we don't need a FB and Johnson is capable.

Very funny but not surprising at all !!!

 

Effectively, I think this is a longer and less paragraphed version of what I was going to say.

Taking an FB - brilliant. An excellent FB. Taking someone on a par with Carey Davis or Frank Summers? No thanks.