NFL Suspensions

I was listening to talk radio last night and they raised some valid points about player suspensions which I agreed with for the most part.

They were mainly talking about Burfect since I live in Cincinnati but it applies to LeVeon, Brady and all other players that are suspended this season or will be suspended as well.

The Point with Burfect that they were making was that he is:
A) Suspended for 3 games
B) Not allowed Film study
C) Not allowed to practice with any teammates
D) Not allowed to team facilities for workouts
E) Not allowed to attend games

The point was that you now allow a 20 something multi millionaire all this free time to get into additional trouble.

Now apply that same thought to LeVeon or any other player.

Sure, they're dumb for getting into trouble in the first place but now you are really breaking the player down more. They won't be with their team. They won't have any set agenda so they can now do what they want. They won't have film study which will hurt their playing ability and could cause further injuries. ect....

I agree with:
A) and E) but
B), C) and D) does not help the player, team or safety of the game.

That was the general consensus.

Just thought it was a valid topic and want to know other peoples thoughts as well.

 

They're grown men. They and they alone are responsible for their actions. I feel no sympathy for any of them and that's putting it as lightly as I possibly can. I've lived 34 years and literally never touched pot or any other drug. I've never assaulted a woman. I've never raped a woman. I've managed to do all of this without my employer holding my hand. It's up to a man to decide what he is gonna do or not do. If I wanna be an idiot I can be one but if I start hurting UPS in the process they have the right and really an obligation to deal with me. No one is bigger than the brand and the employees that DO play by the rules shouldn't be hurt by my stupidity. The NFL is its own company and they should be able to do whatever they feel is necessary to protect themselves. I will say though that the idiot in SF who is suddenly a reject "activist" is really making the league office look like cowards. It's ridiculous that this moron can make a complete fool out of the league and Goodell is fine with it but Heyward can't memorialize his dad WHO PLAYED FOR THE NFL with his eyeblack without getting fined. The league just doesn't wanna take on the stupid hacks in the grievance industry because of how they will be portrayed so they let a moron like Kap run wild but OH THE HUMANITY should Cam or DWill or Willy Gay do something positive to draw attention to good causes. I still stand by their suspensions of said morons though. Grow up boys. This is a man's world you have entered. If I can say no then so can you. Period.

 

Comparing UPS or any other company to the NFL is an enormous stretch. There are too many differences to list. Really the only similar thing is that they are both unions which gives the employee representation.

I agree with the second part of your point about Knuckleprick though and the fact that he gets away with wearing what he did and doing what he's doing while Ben couldn't even PFJ.

 

The point is that any company has the right to protect its brand. If I'm out in public kicking packages and throwing them around it looks bad on UPS. If any other driver is doing it it looks bad as well. It's not my job to walk to a customer's door and tell them how mad I am about some supposed "oppression" or whatever. It's my job to walk up to their door and leave their box sitting there. That's what I'm getting paid to do. Kap is getting paid to throw a ball and hand it off. Not to be some wannabe 60's hack who didn't say squat til he thought another qb was nipping at his heels. It's Bell's job to run and catch. That's what he's getting paid to do and he signed a deal that said he was gonna work for a company and there were certain conduct guidelines that he has to obey to do it. If he doesn't want to obey then he should get out of the league and smoke his stupid drugs until his heart is content. The NFL owes him nothing but a paycheck. They didn't force him to sign. The same goes for the rest of those idiots. I can't wait til a hardcore 2nd Amendment guy starts protesting so we can see how much Goodell backs him... Ben Watson weighed in on the Kap thing and it was pretty good for the most part. I'd say Goodell is probably happy he blew his knee out if he has read it.

 

Wow, really?! Is this Donald Trump?!...

 

Not how the military works either. Usually if someone gets in trouble the rest of his peers are encouraged to rally around him/her to help them get back on the right track. (In successful commands anyway)

 

wow, got a disagree on something I spent 24 years of my life doing the last 8 actually in charge of large groups of Sailors....hmmmm.

 

If they are doing #2, 3 and 4, then they are working and must be paid. Not much different that any other employee.

 

Punishment needs to have some teeth for it to work. BUT I think Burfict's suspension is different than say Bryant's suspension. Being a multiple offender thug is different than being a multiple offender pot smoker. There should be 2 different types of suspensions. 1 type that covers: PED's, cheating, or being a very bad person. type 2: should cover non PED use, (pot, booze, etc) these players need a support system and help fixing the problem. They did nothing to hurt anyone but them selves, bad publicity maybe. Basically have two types of suspensions. 1 for Felonies and 1 for misdemeanors . The misdomenors should be allowed to practice and be with the team.

 

I just always wonder how they enforce some of this stuff. If I'm a coach, I'm giving my suspended player a long list of things to be getting on with while he's off.

 

I think I have to lean to this one. They are suspended. No pay. You can't make someone show up for work and not pay them. Legally, you can't even let them volunteer to do their normal job for no pay.

 

There's a reason why a lot of young kids get in trouble early on in their NFL careers. They grew up the stud athlete in their town in middle school and high school... When they smoked weed, everyone looked the other way, when they beat some kid up same thing. When they didn't go to class the teachers let it go, when they were ineligible somebody fixed it for them. Then they go to college and the players are worshipped like celebrities in most big schools. They walk around like they're the man and nobody can touch them. Booster give them stuff, they don't get drug tested because the team tests the walk ons and guys they don't care if they fail.... They think nothing bad will happen to them because they've gone their whole life without anything biting them in the @ss.

Then they're supposed to man up in the NFL and be a model professional? No. They're gonna do what they always do and they will get in trouble. When it's gone on their whole life (and at a young impressionable age) it's a tough habit to break.

I'm not making excuses for anyone, but it's just easy to see why it happens and why it's hard for these kids to change their ways. You're not dealing with your average 21-24 year old men... You're dealing with a lot of 21-24 year old children (not all the players are this way). I think the way you spell it out is pretty harsh. You gotta try to help these kids, otherwise nobody will and that's a d@mn shame. Many of these kids can totally change their lives if they have some help growing up and all it takes is someone giving a d*mn about them.

Some have done it, most haven't... The NFL should try to change that if they can. Just my two cents tho.

 

only 24??
come on Lizard
a true lifer is 30 plus

 

LOL
you said
"doing number 2"

all serious tho
contracts are different
WAIT...
there was no
2,3,4 listed

 

I noticed you claim to never have raped a woman but curiously left out man rape...Something you want to tell us? We don't judge.

 

Well said as well as was bft's remarks.

Here's my rhetort. These kids... that's what they are, although they act like kids but swear up and down they're grown ass men, are ENTITLED!!!! Be it by the schools, the agents, the homeboys that lean on em etc...

You say change their lives, and I agree however you can't fix stupid a lot of the time. Stupid has to fix itself.

We pump more money into prison reformation which is a farce at best to work, than we do adolescent education.

You can mold young minds, apparently you can't change the ways folks believe even if a multi million dollar career is at stake.... Unless they want the help.

This generation raised to believe nothing is their fault and a lawsuit affirmation tends to usually uphold their beliefs is not gonna get very far. Hence, you see the decay of morale, ethic, common sense on every level.

They're programmed these days and that's hard to fix!

We can get in the nuances of how party A is different than party B all day long. Truth is, party A makes a **** ton more money than party B because they're labeled special and party B unknowingly bank rolls this faux idea long before a member of party A becomes entrenched in the notion that they're special.

It's ridiculous. People get pissed about the bias towards athletes because well... "Can't get away with their bull**** in the real blue collar/white collar world". And they're right!!!

Yet, we support, we cry, we throw **** when these jerkoffs win or lose every Sunday and every other day of the week that they screw up.

Now are we pissed that athletes should be able to smoke weed etc... Or are we pissed that we can't do the same???

Are we not forgiving enough? Or are we pissed that stupid decisions may ruin a season and then apply them to a common sense approach?

I can't piss dirty, or punch my wife, or punch other people, or even air my messed up thoughts about life in Twitter without a possible threat of termination. These guys apparently are afforded such and live as such and believe just that.

These disagree marks are hilarious... But hey I live in a world where I'm free to **** up and got nothing coming while supporting a league full of idiots and their fan boy lovers who disagree and think and actually try to rationalize why these guys are treated with tender mittens.

Peeps can think what they want as is evidenced post to post and that is cool.

Spend a little more time on the factual common sense side of **** and maybe we can accomplish things

 

No but if I did all I'd have to do is talk about how "oppressed" I've been and how hard I had it growing up and everyone would just say "Oh, well we can't hold him accountable. Let's give him a cookie and tell him everything will be ok because it's not his fault but 'the system's'." LOL!

 

That could NEVER happen! LOL!

 

I don't know the particulars, but I'd think the NFL, or an affected team, would preemptively put in place some sort of program or agenda for constructively/rehabilitatively occupying the suspendee's time.

 

turtle wax

 

I was thinking along the same lines, does the player's union have a program/system for rehab (on drug/PED suspensions) and are the players allowed contact with them?

But to the OPs point about B,C, and D - I can see why the NFL mandates this "total separation" aspect to the suspension. It has to give the punishment some teeth.

Does that stay in line with helping the player overcome his issue with drugs? For some yes and for some no. Everyone's personality is different and support structure at home is different, etc etc. Remember its not only rookies getting busted on drug suspensions. But they have to line out a standard punishment. Since when is the NFL overly concerned about the player's health anyway? They are concerned with the "brand" and the brand's target is the fans, because the fans are putting in the MONEY.

Is the NFL concerned about the players? I believe they are, but because it puts a better product on the field when you can market the good guys. But I can't think of any NFL marketing stories where the players have come back from drug problems to be highlighted by the league. Brett Favre? , Chris Carter? But, I think that was more from the players' mouths than from the NFL's. The NFL is there to police the work environment. They probably take a view of rehab being on the individual. Which is where it needs to start from anyway.