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New Offensive Assistant Coach

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by JackAttack 5958, Apr 5, 2023.

  1. Rollers

    Rollers Well-Known Member

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    I think one of their sons owns a casino and that casino wracks in over 500 million a year. I think that is correct. He does not own any interest in the Steelers
     
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  2. oldschool

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    Yeah, but it wasn’t that long ago that he sold his shares. The organization has had and still has the funds to hire the best of the best if they wanted to use that business model to ensure the highest caliber staff to reach the goals of winning more and more championships.

    It would stand to reason that the more successful the franchise the more valuable and more cash drawing it would be. Do I need to go to Harvard business school to make that calculation accurately?
     
  3. mac daddyo

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    the players have to execute. didn't we see this with TJ watt being out? did our DC become smarter when TJ got back? no. the run game got better last year. did canada do it or was it when MT told najee to run harder and not try to juke so much. he also saw warren running hard through the hole. i think that helped najee. whatever it was the run game got much better.

    how many drives did we get killed by penalties last year? the answer is many. was that because of the OC? no. it was execution. did we bring in better players to help that? yes.

    was the line very good when we started the year? no. did meyer change? no did the players finally learn what he was coaching? yes. did they get better? yes.

    most of the downfall was mental execution by the players. i think way too much emphasis is put on the DC and OC when mostly it's player execution that has limited the play on the field. sure one player can make either the offense or defense look better but the others have to execute the play called against what the other team is doing. the old adage of beat the man across from you really holds true. mentally and physically.

    so many things go into the success or failure of a play. just like DJ either dropping a ball at a critical time, or fumbling, or trying to do too much when he already had the first down. dotson jumping or called for a penalty when we had the momentum in our favor. it's not just those two either, but the OC or DC didn't draw these things up in those plays, the players didn't execute the play to it's fullest.

    we didn't complain about the plays called when najee caught passes going into the end zone, or heyward catching passes when the defense didn't expect it. or the misdirection inside gives to heyward or derek watt. those were nice play designs and wait for it, yes executed well by the players.

    smarter players have a huge effect in this game. we didn't bring in dumber players i'm guessing on the offensive line. dotson had the physical game, but when you kill the play called over and over there is a problem. we are looking to fix those problems. weidl i believe has seen these things from the outside and said this is what we are going to fix.

    it's been said many times that dan moore only makes a mistake once and he fixes it. young players are going to make mistakes, that just goes with the territory. fixing them so it doesn't keep happening is where the difference lies. :cool:
     
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  4. mikeyg

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    execution - yes - BUT PREP and PLANNING, repetition, etc. How hard are they working M-F? Game day is a reflection of the WORK PUT IN all week long.

    we are two steps behind advanced offenses today, if you can't see that, I can't help you.
     
  5. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    we were the youngest offense in the league. most fans expect them to play like seasoned pros every week. how many of those advanced offenses have been together for awhile? if you can't see that, i can't help you.

    during the season game plan is put in on offense and on defense M-F. there isn't that much individual workings that can be done. some yes but if the players aren't smart enough or experienced enough to grasp everything they want them to do it is not the fault of the planners. the players still have to execute. dumbing down things is all because of how much a young player can absorb during the week. going 7-2 down the stretch shows that they improved and learned during the year. more reps, better play. things got better and they should continue to get better. :cool:
     
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  6. strummerfan

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    You’re close, but off a bit. Monday is film review, treatment, and weight training. Tuesdays are off days.
     
  7. Brice

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    I am not sure what this hire means for Mike Sullivan.
     
  8. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    are the coaches working? i thought so. your the one that's close. :cool:
     
  9. strummerfan

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    Nice try pal. Practicing and tbe gameplan being installed was the topic. Not whether or not the coaches Are working
     
  10. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    when the hell do you think the coaches prepare the game plan pal. not the day of practice. the quality control coaches put together the weeks opponant and go over it with the OC and DC and they formulate a game plan for that week. on monday, tuesday and have it in place for wed. it is an on going process. what is so hard for you to understand about that? do you think they just open a notebook the day of practice and say ok we want you to practice this play because i threw darts at a board and this one hit? give it up strummer. :cool:
     
  11. S.T.D

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    Not true. The Cowboys are the biggest example of this. They are in the top of all the sports... not just the NFL in money making, and they have only won 3 playoff games since We faced them the last time in the SB....back in the day....Hell We've been in just as many SBs in that time as they have playoff wins.
     
  12. strummerfan

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    You could go even further back with the bears and redskins. Both of which are more valuable than the Steelers. The bears haven’t won in nearly 40 years
     
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  13. CK 13

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    Yes they have to execute. But, the loss of Watt loomed large game after game. This is where the defensive coaches failed! All THREE. They had no answer for losing Watt. Now I understand that losing a highest caliper player like Watt stings but they had no answer. Until Watt came back.
     
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  14. Steel_Elvis

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    Wait… How could this be true? I thought the Steelers were the worst run franchise in sports history? Like… ever and ever.

    At least that’s my takeaway from reading this board.
     
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  15. Rollers

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    I never said they didn't. I imagine the income from the Steelers is pretty high. I don't thing there's anything standing in the way of the Rooney's hiring and paying the best coaches they can. I don't know why they kept Canada. Stubborn? I don't know. I just brought up the fact that one of his sons is getting pretty rich away from football.
     
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  16. mac daddyo

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    tj is good but he cant cover the whole field. the players on the field without him didn't execute. did our DC all of a sudden get smarter when tj got back? :cool:
     
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  17. mikeyg

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    good points, need to improve more and more. Oline solidified by mid season. may have lucked into 2 wins late in the year, certainly did not dominate on O vs. Raiders and Ravens. So, yes, 7-2 was wonderful - opposition was softer. Just don't think Canada has it in him, to be elite. I hope but doubt, I guess.
     
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  18. steelersrule6

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    You act like the Steelers was an elite team, and were going to blow those teams out, they were very young on offense no surprise they struggled.
     
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  19. CK 13

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    Not smarter but was jumping up and down he was back. Three defensive minded coaches and they lose one player and bam it was fold up shop until said player came back.

    I feel they are turning the tide with Khan and Weidl upgrading the ILbers, retaining Ogunjobi, bringing in competition on the defensive line with Fehoko, retaining safety Kazee and adding Neal ( a hitting machine) and signing Peterson to tutor the young guns.
    I feel they will draft a defensive tackle with either the one of the 2nd rounders as well as a corner. An edge in the 3rd.

    So the defensive staff to me are getting some new blood. Lets see how it fares. Losing one player even with the magnitude of a Watt should not drop off a cliff like it did.
     
  20. mac daddyo

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    they had lost kazee, TJ, and witherspoon.

    wallace was new to the team as was jack and ogunjobi, this makes a difference. remember the dream team for the redskins? they ended up stinking with a ton of money spent. it usually takes time for even vets to learn a new system and who they are playing with.

    loudermilk was hurt, alualu was not the same guy, leal was a rookie. more than just TJ.

    i think losing kazee had a lot more effect than most realize. he was also new here. as we saw the longer the season went on, i think this unit with all the new guys meshed and then add TJ back and we go 7-2. :cool:
     
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  21. cajunyankee

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    I was thinking the other while driving , what if the Steelers drafted the Best TE with their #17 pick??? A two TE set where both are passing attack weapons and what it could add to the Run Game……….

    Just random thoughts while driving …….

    Cajun
     
  22. S.T.D

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  23. Vox Ferrum

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    I understand the 'value' placed on these franchises, branding, merchandise sales, etc...but a lot of that value is schematics. When it comes time to sell, the price will be whatever an NFL aprroves\d buyer is willing to pay. Before the Broncos sold their value was reported at just under 4 Billion, they sold for 4.65 billion. The Bears Field is historic, yet in spite of the bandaids they throw on it is still a dump, yet if they were to go on the market the price would surpass expectations. I would expect the same for the Steelers, small market or not, the history and fan following is surpassed by few (if any), their value is what a person is willing to pay..and that would command a lot, imho.
     
  24. Vox Ferrum

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    This has been talked about on several different threads. I could see it if the team had a history of using TE's this way. Not saying they might not even try converting to a dominant 2 TE mindset, but with the other needs I personally do not see it.
     
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  25. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    We have talked about it but not at #17, a guy like Darnell Washington at #32 he's 6'7 270lbs, this move would help their running game.
     
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