New Offensive Assistant Coach

One thing the Bengals have working in their favor, unfortunately, is that Burrow is an Ohio guy and may be willing to give them somewhat of a hometown discount to remain in the Buckeye state. I also think smart quarterbacks like Tom Brady understand that they’ve got to have a strong supporting cast in order to compete for Super Bowls and at the end of the day your overall market value non-specific to football will increase as your exposure to the market at large increases as a by-product of being a winner. That’s something Lamar Jackson obviously doesn’t understand.

 

I've had this discussion on the board before when people claim the Rooney's are super rich. Most owners aside from the old school NFL families like the Rooney's, Mara's, Hunts and so on have made their money in other businesses and then get into ownership. They are oil men, gas company owners, real estate brokers, developers, founders of home improvement companies and Co founders of the biggest selling OS in computer history. They have revenue streams besides football. The Rooney's run the Steelers and not much else.

 

They have race tracks and casinos that they had to depart from pet NFL. rules only like about a decade ago. Plus, stock market tips their wealth class share with each other all the time.

Again, they have the bread.

 

Just quickly here are Steelers examples under Tomlin: Coach Z who had the whole oline rebel against him, Joey Porter and Butler clashing, Sean Sarrett, his replacement who barely made it 14 games before being let go for a college job. Always seems like an OL problem.

The Browns had a different coordinator every year Baker Mayfield was there. The Ravens got rid of Roman and Martindale who were responsible for Jackson's MVP run as well as a run into the playoff. I think Macarthy has removed to OC's since he was in Dallas. Let's not speak of Jacksonville. If we go old school Buddy Ryan and Gilbride or Ryan and Ditka for that matter.

Point is I'd rather have the right guy at bargain prices then the million dollar wrong guy that screws up my favorite team.

 

Yeah I stopped trying to split hairs about the level of rich vs billionaire. Yes the Rooney's have money but not Bezoes or Paul Allen money.

 

The radio guy mentioned the 'hometown' stuff, but downplayed it. I agree with almost everything you are saying, and ultimately it will come down to who is willing to 'reset' the QB market...or not. The Cap continues to rise, but so do key salaries. The Cap pie is just that, you can finagle it for sometime, but eventually the big bucks come due. You can have a good QB, but not everyone is Mahomes..who seems to be able to make some average guys look good, they fill in with more when they leave. The outside money actually should come to mind, so many avenues to get cash and leave some Cap pie to sign and keep the teammates that got you there. Tuncil just resigned for what averages 25 million for a LT. Not saying he is not worth it, but if a QB, WR, and T start accounting for 40 to 45% of the budget, 2 or 3 guys on D the same..then you have a lot of minimum guys on the 53 lol.

 

Fans don't need to know every detail. What is key is that the Steelers are bringing in a coach to help the offensive side of the ball. Another perspective can't hurt unless "he" becomes a hinderance for his own personal goals.

I am sure his role was defined during the interview process.

 

It's highly unlikely/impossible, that the Steelers firing Matt Canada during the season, but this hiring puts an interesting wrinkle into that idea.

 

Dan ( who’s passed ) and his son Art Jr had to borrow 250 million in order to secure 30% ownership when brothers chose to sell. The McGinleys (sp ?) were cousins with 20 ownership plus many other partial owners.

net worth of the current Rooney owners?? Who really knows, is that 250 mil debt paid off?? That definitely affects how much cash they have vs how much they’re worth via Steelers valuable ownership.


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Gen an equity loan and they’ll be fine.

 

I guess Aaron Rodgers didn't get the memo he took 50 million a year from Green Bay, but his weapons on offense were average.

 

Think about the total expenses. The league sends all franchises equal shares, 48% belongs to the players. The CAP number is not the 48%, that total number includes things provided in the CBA, certain insurances, pension, etc. The money the team gets is huge, but then consider the operating expenses. Admin. staff, coach's, training facilities, travel, taxes. Divide the final profit amongst the % of owners. I am sure its a great number the Rooney's get, and like you said diversified investments bring in added personal revenue, but when a team is the primary income for family based ownership, it pales to what others owners have with massive corporate structure. No one is crying for any billionaire, but the expendable cash to put 100 to 200 million in escrow for all these contract guarantees tips the balance to those with (at times) seemingly unlimited cash flow. In the end it evens out with the CAP, but limited cash flow limits the guarantees that one team may offer over another at a certain time.

 

True. Rodgers is a ME first kinda guy and playing with average players has yielded average results. Smart quarterbacks, while they obviously want to get paid, realize they can’t do it alone. I get that Brady had a supermodel wife who made bank which allowed him to make personal concessions for the benefit of the team, but he has seven Super Bowl rings because he saw the bigger picture.

 

I've seen it closer to $3 billion, but that isn't the money they have to work with. They would have to sell to get it, and I don't think the Rooneys would ever sell.

 

No, they aren't close to it. One estimate I found has him at $500 million, but to put that in context, that is near the bottom of NFL owners.

Don't get me wrong. I think they should be spending whatever it takes on coaches, but let's be accurate about these things.

 

I'm sure it made it easier that his wife was loaded, but all of these quarterbacks can do what he did. It's not as if Brady wasn't earning generational wealth for himself, too. The contracts are a measuring stick for most of these guys, a way to compare themselves to other NFL players and athletes in other sports. Brady made plenty of money, enough that his wife's wealth wasn't really relevant, but he wanted to measure himself by championships rather than his contract.

Rodgers, on the other hand, is more focused on recognition for himself. He need to be told over and over again that he is still the prettiest girl out there. That's really what last offseason's drama was all about.

 

Well, I’ll never know unless there is an a full and complete investigation, but aren’t there rumors that The Patriots found other shady ways to hide and compensate Brady outside of his actual contract?

But as a regular person, I find it hard to come to terms with bankrupting the teams cap to maximize your own wealth that could sabotage the odds of Championships for players who have amassed such huge sums after multiple contracts.

Like guys who have like a 100 effing million dollars or more who are still grabbing in the bag with hulk hands. Younger players or depth guys at league minimum, of course I get not trying to give that “hometown discount crap” after paying managers and trainers and stuff. Yeah, get that 20 million or whatever while you can.

But these franchise QB’s on 3rd contracts with endorsements and stuff with 100 -200 mill coming their way??? I think I’d renegotiate at some point to make sure I had some extra players to put trophies in the case and rings on my fingers.

When does life start? 50 million? 300? After 50 how different does life look than 100? They’ve accumulated plenty of generational wealth for their families.

Or maybe I’m just stuck in poor people plebe mindset. I’m fine with that.

 

Him at 500 mill. But there are minority owners in the team too that contribute to the pool. The leasing of the stadium naming rights, Pitt football, (concerts?), ticket sales, concessions, merch, etc…

More money on coaches should help increase more wins = more tickets and associated revenue = larger fan base for merch = generational future fans. It has to pay off playing long ball.

 

They have horse tracks in Florida and NY and maybe even dog tracks in Florida too. Small casinos. The NFL said the owners can’t have a franchise and a gambling business as a conflict of interests.

 

Agree on all counts.
My quotes are from ~2008/9 when those two bailed.

 

Probably so. He wouldn't be interested in 'internet shares' lol

I saw the offer for Washington.. that's a lot of money to get rid of Snyder.
I never really dabbled in the financial workings of the teams. Just the contracts.

 

Are we sure it's not Glemm?

 

i would think between thomas, sullivan canada and meyer, we should see an uptick in the offensive output. we need a good 3rd RB at some point and another WR at some point and possibly TE. thomas did start and played at texas tech. known for it's passing attack. sullivan had a good run with the giants. thomas with the dirty birds. canada with the run game last year. meyer has new toys. all plusses.

 

Most of us wanted help with the offense. Enter Glenn Thomas. A resume that has a few wrinkles in the college ranks. But he is a body at this point. To think he is going to take over next season is premature because most of us can't stand the Saturday play caller.

Hope he can help the cause in 23.

 

And most of this guys resume is more college stuff. A little with a young Matt Ryan in Atlanta though too.