This, like every other fan based forum, is filled with people who love and hate certain aspects of the team the forum is here to talk about. People love Ben, people hate Ben. People love Tomlin, people hate Tomlin. Love is fair enough, hate is a pretty strong word when directed at players and coaches. I have never hated Tomlin, I have never even wanted him fired....until recently. I have wished for years that "the Steelers" would sit him down and ask him what his plan is to fix the lack of discipline and the lack of perpetration that seem to haunt this team. Now, it's too late, he has to go. I love how Ben cares about one thing....winning! He is still one of the top 5 or 6 QB's in the league and I am amazed at how people want to see him gone so that we can struggle to find someone of his talent again...even his current talent. I wonder if people are remotely aware of just how hard it is to find an elite QB in this league, let alone one who can play at a high level for 15 years.