Kordell Stewart Announces Retirement...?

About the only thing I disagree with is the Kordell was the best QB between TB and BR.

Neil Odonnell holds that distinction. Kordell was the second best QB in that time frame.

I know, I know Im going to get a beating for this, but its true. So go ahead and beat away...

 

I always liked watching Kordell play. I just wish he would have embraced the Slash role more. Or made the switch to WR and kept some QB plays in there for him.

 

Thanks for posting Cook's article, Tomlin Era. I don't always agree with Ron Cook, but I do this time. Kudos to Kordell for his gracious demeanor. And for him, I think he's right, this was the team his name will always be associated with.

Edit: Yikes, my bad!!! Apologies and thanks to JD who was really the one who posted Cook's article. And thanks Tomlin Era for cluing me in!

 

First of all, try again in your reading.

Second of all, in that 2001 NE 24-17 loss, two of the INTs were late in the 4th trying to come back, I think in the final 2:30 or so. He was forcing the ball because he was desperate. He never was a spread offense come from behind QB. There were far fewer of those guys back then, in that game, than there are now, in this game. He was a read 1, read 2, take off and run QB. Scrambling was half his passing game. But forget all that. It doesn't matter. It's off topic. Why was he trying to come back? We gave up 17 points on special teams. A punt return for a TD and a blocked field goal returned for a TD (you could argue we only gave up 14 ST points; 17 if the FG would have been good, 14 if he would have missed anyway -- it was a 33 yarder so I'd say there's a 90%+ chance he would have made it).

I've accused you in the past of making outlandish statements you know are wrong in order to get attention (not that you like attention -- what's your name again? There's no place on the screen that states it clearly). The reason I came to that conclusion is because the alternative is that you're one of the stupidest people alive, and I think the odds of me coming across the stupidest person alive in a world of so many billions are just too slim.

This is just another of those statements. Calling him our worst QB in 35 years is indefensible. There is no case. It's over. This thing never sees a grand jury. Not only was he not the worst, he wasn't even bad. He was good. Even if you don't agree that it was the system or his coaches or the revolving playbook (how'd Alex Smith do with all those OCs?) and don't agree that he was good, you're calling a multiple Pro Bowler and team MVP the worst in 35 years. Because... he didn't win a Super Bowl? Because he only got us to two championship games? It was really all the defense and running game that got us there? If only Graham would have been in we'd have done better? You don't have a leg to stand on. You're the exact problem with this fan base. In the 2001 AFCCG, we did have a good defense. Both teams had a good defense, and Kordell's offense put up 10 more points than Brady/Bledsoe's offense. Pittsburgh's put up 17 (20) and New England's put up 10. And yet we lose by 7 thanks to a punt return and blocked field goal return. But what do you say? Why did we lose that game? I believe your words were, "If only Kordell could have protected the ball, or even played avg QB Level." IF ONLY Kordell... Kordell?? Yeah, that's the "if only" that comes to my mind.

Kordell Stewart was the worst QB our team had in 35 years. Fans that talk like Cajunyankee are ignorant and pathetic and do more harm than good... I wonder which of those statements is more true.

Oh, and I will work on my football awareness. Gay for MVP![/quote:3qr92zj7]

I'm not gonna drop down to your level of personal attacks because that's all you got. I will invite you to PM me when you're in NC and we can meet and work out our differences.

For the record in 97' we had already beaten Elway and the broncos 1 month earlier 35-24. We were playing at home. At the half it was 24-14 Denver ( Elway played great) and the 2nd half went scoreless until we scored a TD with 2:46 left in the 4th.

Both teams stats are very similar except one... Kordell threw 3 INTs and also lost a fumble. That's four turnovers and Every Football fan with the very basic level of understanding will tell you you CAN'T turn it over four times and win.... especially against Elway!!!!!

Now on to 01' AFC champ game. We had a Great defense with LBers Kendrell Bell, Porter and Gildon. We had WR Plaxico, Hines and Troy Edwards who was also a punt returner and did a very good job that day. Also we had RBs Bettis and Amos Zeroue.
1st QTR NE had punt return for a TD. 14 min left in 2nd QTR our drive stalls @ NE 11 and we get a FG, score 7-3 Near the end of the 1st half drew drives NE for another TD--now 14-3.. Kordell runs the 2 min offense looks good and in control and at NE 47 when he thrwos three ugly incomplete passes then his 1st INT right in the guys chest to end the half.
1st half stats... Brady/Bledsoe 15 for 21 no picks Kordell 10 for 21 ( under 50% ) and a pick!!!
13 min into the 3rd QTR Kordell fumbles and Teddy B. recovers at the 36. Defense saves us with great plays.
Next four min was crazy, Kordell moves us into NE territory then throw another INT. Luckily its called back due to defense offsides. Then a NE pass interference moves us to NE 21, Kordell rushes to the 16, drive stalls and a Blocked FG becomes a TD for NE. Now its NE 21-3 with 8:51 in the 3rd.
The Steelers the score 14 in 7 min. Defense stops NE with a 3 and out, Troy great punt return, Kordell look good as does Bettis and Amos.
11:21 in the 4th its 24-17 after Adam nails a 44 yd FG. 4:21 in the 4th Kordell complete two passes then throws another INT, his 3rd with one over turned.. Defense stops NE AGAIN but Kordell throws his last INT --- 3rd that stuck and 4th turnover( 1 fumble ) to end the game.

You CAN"T give Brady/Bledsoe 4 Turnovers and expect to win. Even with our Great defense and top RB/WRs. Add to that this was four years after his 1st championship game. He's not a rookie but is playing like one ... STILL!

Say what you want but he stunk in the 97 afc champ game, we were kept out of the playoffs until 01 and he stunk there too in that afc champ game. His play was bad even the coaches benched him for " not getting it mentally and failing to perform" and was ushered out after 02 season. Chicago tried him as their QB and they saw he stunk and let him go. He went to the raven and they cut him cause he stunk.

Kordell would look like Marino for half a QTR, then look completely lost and play as bad as it gets then play like a pro-bowler again... All in the same game. He had more fumbles than most of all our other QBs combine and threw INTs at a Greater rate than TDs.

My worst QB comment, as stated before was limited to QBs who were handed the reigns for a substainial amount of time Like Brister, O'Donnell and even the hated Tommy gun Maddox. With the running game we had and defense we had I'd take any one of these three over Kordell.

As a side note, I hated the way he was treated in the extremes like beer thrown on him,racial slurres,threats and wish those people would have been prosecuted and while I'm not condonning it I do realize it was spawned by his terrible and inconsistant play and while it seems most on this board has forgotten his frustrating play and claim his Greatness most of Steeler Nation around the World remember our lost opportunities to return SB winning ways.

Cajun-

 

First of all, try again in your reading.

Second of all, in that 2001 NE 24-17 loss, two of the INTs were late in the 4th trying to come back, I think in the final 2:30 or so. He was forcing the ball because he was desperate. He never was a spread offense come from behind QB. There were far fewer of those guys back then, in that game, than there are now, in this game. He was a read 1, read 2, take off and run QB. Scrambling was half his passing game. But forget all that. It doesn't matter. It's off topic. Why was he trying to come back? We gave up 17 points on special teams. A punt return for a TD and a blocked field goal returned for a TD (you could argue we only gave up 14 ST points; 17 if the FG would have been good, 14 if he would have missed anyway -- it was a 33 yarder so I'd say there's a 90%+ chance he would have made it).

I've accused you in the past of making outlandish statements you know are wrong in order to get attention (not that you like attention -- what's your name again? There's no place on the screen that states it clearly). The reason I came to that conclusion is because the alternative is that you're one of the stupidest people alive, and I think the odds of me coming across the stupidest person alive in a world of so many billions are just too slim.

This is just another of those statements. Calling him our worst QB in 35 years is indefensible. There is no case. It's over. This thing never sees a grand jury. Not only was he not the worst, he wasn't even bad. He was good. Even if you don't agree that it was the system or his coaches or the revolving playbook (how'd Alex Smith do with all those OCs?) and don't agree that he was good, you're calling a multiple Pro Bowler and team MVP the worst in 35 years. Because... he didn't win a Super Bowl? Because he only got us to two championship games? It was really all the defense and running game that got us there? If only Graham would have been in we'd have done better? You don't have a leg to stand on. You're the exact problem with this fan base. In the 2001 AFCCG, we did have a good defense. Both teams had a good defense, and Kordell's offense put up 10 more points than Brady/Bledsoe's offense. Pittsburgh's put up 17 (20) and New England's put up 10. And yet we lose by 7 thanks to a punt return and blocked field goal return. But what do you say? Why did we lose that game? I believe your words were, "If only Kordell could have protected the ball, or even played avg QB Level." IF ONLY Kordell... Kordell?? Yeah, that's the "if only" that comes to my mind.

Kordell Stewart was the worst QB our team had in 35 years. Fans that talk like Cajunyankee are ignorant and pathetic and do more harm than good... I wonder which of those statements is more true.

Oh, and I will work on my football awareness. Gay for MVP![/quote:30d2n517]

I'm not gonna drop down to your level of personal attacks because that's all you got. I will invite you to PM me when you're in NC and we can meet and work out our differences.

For the record in 97' we had already beaten Elway and the broncos 1 month earlier 35-24. We were playing at home. At the half it was 24-14 Denver ( Elway played great) and the 2nd half went scoreless until we scored a TD with 2:46 left in the 4th.

Both teams stats are very similar except one... Kordell threw 3 INTs and also lost a fumble. That's four turnovers and Every Football fan with the very basic level of understanding will tell you you CAN'T turn it over four times and win.... especially against Elway!!!!!

Now on to 01' AFC champ game. We had a Great defense with LBers Kendrell Bell, Porter and Gildon. We had WR Plaxico, Hines and Troy Edwards who was also a punt returner and did a very good job that day. Also we had RBs Bettis and Amos Zeroue.
1st QTR NE had punt return for a TD. 14 min left in 2nd QTR our drive stalls @ NE 11 and we get a FG, score 7-3 Near the end of the 1st half drew drives NE for another TD--now 14-3.. Kordell runs the 2 min offense looks good and in control and at NE 47 when he thrwos three ugly incomplete passes then his 1st INT right in the guys chest to end the half.
1st half stats... Brady/Bledsoe 15 for 21 no picks Kordell 10 for 21 ( under 50% ) and a pick!!!
13 min into the 3rd QTR Kordell fumbles and Teddy B. recovers at the 36. Defense saves us with great plays.
Next four min was crazy, Kordell moves us into NE territory then throw another INT. Luckily its called back due to defense offsides. Then a NE pass interference moves us to NE 21, Kordell rushes to the 16, drive stalls and a Blocked FG becomes a TD for NE. Now its NE 21-3 with 8:51 in the 3rd.
The Steelers the score 14 in 7 min. Defense stops NE with a 3 and out, Troy great punt return, Kordell look good as does Bettis and Amos.
11:21 in the 4th its 24-17 after Adam nails a 44 yd FG. 4:21 in the 4th Kordell complete two passes then throws another INT, his 3rd with one over turned.. Defense stops NE AGAIN but Kordell throws his last INT --- 3rd that stuck and 4th turnover( 1 fumble ) to end the game.

You CAN"T give Brady/Bledsoe 4 Turnovers and expect to win. Even with our Great defense and top RB/WRs. Add to that this was four years after his 1st championship game. He's not a rookie but is playing like one ... STILL!

Say what you want but he stunk in the 97 afc champ game, we were kept out of the playoffs until 01 and he stunk there too in that afc champ game. His play was bad even the coaches benched him for " not getting it mentally and failing to perform" and was ushered out after 02 season. Chicago tried him as their QB and they saw he stunk and let him go. He went to the raven and they cut him cause he stunk.

Kordell would look like Marino for half a QTR, then look completely lost and play as bad as it gets then play like a pro-bowler again... All in the same game. He had more fumbles than most of all our other QBs combine and threw INTs at a Greater rate than TDs.

My worst QB comment, as stated before was limited to QBs who were handed the reigns for a substainial amount of time Like Brister, O'Donnell and even the hated Tommy gun Maddox. With the running game we had and defense we had I'd take any one of these three over Kordell.

As a side note, I hated the way he was treated in the extremes like beer thrown on him,racial slurres,threats and wish those people would have been prosecuted and while I'm not condonning it I do realize it was spawned by his terrible and inconsistant play and while it seems most on this board has forgotten his frustrating play and claim his Greatness most of Steeler Nation around the World remember our lost opportunities to return SB winning ways.

Cajun-[/quote:30d2n517]
Thanks for not stooping to my level. That really makes it easier on me. I win the pissing contest! Yay!

Thanks for the play-by-play, too. I didn't have access to that. It really addressed the root of my comments in the previous post.

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Have you ever seen The Accused? Because all I can think when I read that is, "She was asking for it and putting on a sex show." I'm gonna say it was spawned by racist bigot criminals, not interceptions.

 

I like the article, too. It's true that he gave so much more to the city than he got in return. The writer makes a point to say that he never fought back against the monstrousity. He also says it wasn't smart to come back because if it was him he'd have said F you to the city. But I think that's a really personal call. I loved reading Art's comments to Kordell. I thought that was very cool. I also thought it was cool, and fascinating at the very least that Kordell still thinks of the place fondly, despite his many reasons not to. I would never judge that.

 

Him and Cowher couldn't win the big ones, The Steelers should
have been to multiple SB's. Could never get past the AFC title game at home?

 

:goodpost: Agreed! Or, you could go even farther and say that it was spawned by those same racist bigot criminals that love to make up false rumors about players and add that they know nothing about football and think that the QB is solely responsible for the entire teams play, coaching changes, free agency and injuries. Most of these types just call themselves Steelers fans anyways because it seems like the cool and popular thing to do, just as any sheeple does in society. I've witnessed this phenomena for decades now. It became evident after the Steelers won their first few Super Bowls that people who know nothing of the game tend to blame the QB for all of the worlds problems, just as they did with Bradshaw, every QB after him and it continues with Ben today. I think that most of these folks and their ilk are most likely descendents of hill dwellers and inbreds from the hollows of West Virginia . I'm really starting to believe that a litmus test should be taken before some call themselves a Steelers fan. You know, I've heard so many proclaim over the years that the Steelers have so many smart fans, while that maybe true, its quite evident that we have some of the dumbest in the NFL as well.

 

Again, his play spawned many reactions and emotions, we've all gotten mad or frustrated, yelled at the tv, grabbed our hair, pounded the table or even threw something after watching a bad or series of bad plays by whoever. That doesn't excuse poor, inexcusable or even criminal activities by rednecks or biggots or racist or drunk fans.

Anyway, Kordell's play may have been poor and inconsistant but his Character and Demeanor has always been consistant and classy.

Cajun-

 

Your word choice in the previous post made it sound like you were excusing it to an extent. By saying it was his play that spawned death threats, assault, racial slurs, and other inexcusable behavior, it makes it sound like it was his fault. Like he got the ball rolling. To elaborate on my comparison, to me that's no different than asking a rape victim what she was wearing when she was attacked. As if it makes a difference.

 

I get that which is why I wanted to make sure it wasn't viewed as another " statement for attention " thing. ( Yeah, I had to go there ) . I don't care if anyone agrees/disagrees with me or not when it comes to opinions , view points or evaluations but criminal activity has no excuses or justifications.

Cajun-

PS: I'm not the Stupiest person you know by far but I am one of the craziest and occasionally opinionated!!