Joey Porter Jr contract negotiations

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Wouldn't mind that haul. Only issue is the teams that I see giving up that amount are the teams who essentially need to go all in this season. Two teams stand out; Dallas and Detroit. Could be another player but those two in particular have both the cap space and the need for someone like Peezy Jr.


Gonna have to wait and see how this plays out.

 

Come on man. These owners didn't take any risk. The original owners took a huge risk and invested in something and grew it into the monolith that the NFL has become.

These sons and wives of billionaires didn't have to cultivate anything. A winning lottery ticket was handed to them on a sterling silver platter. They have lived their entire lives as millionaires and billionaires on Mommy and Daddy's money. You know this.

I don't begrudge anyone having money. I believe in the capitalist system, and the only thing I care about is what kind of people they are and how well they run their organizations.

Athletes that make it to the professional ranks have generally been busting their a$$es since they were kids. Almost none are the children of millionaires. They have to earn everything they have gotten just to have the opportunity to play professional sports and have a chance to get paid. Please don't compare owners and players.

The players have done much more to earn what they are making than the current owners that were handed what they have. Players have worked their entire lives for this opportunity and they only have a few years of their lives to prosper from it.

 

If someone in his camp said to play up the back injury is was bad advice. If in so the back injury is real I can see why the Steelers would wait and let him play out the season.

Then franchise him in 2027. Either come to a contract in 2027 or he plays under the tag and possibly traded.

 

Derrick Harmon I have never worried about for I had him as a Top 20 Overall Prospect coming out of Oregon. I did note that he did need a great D Line Coach and he got that in Karl Dunbar. It may have been only a year but Harmon ended up progressing much faster largely due in part to Dunbar. Going to be interesting to see what Peko can teach Harmon.


Black just needs more consistency in his leverage. He has shown the ability to do so as a Rookie but clearly the Rookie Wall hit him like a freight train at the end of it. This Preseason showed me a Yahya Black who was more consistent in that regard. His next step as I see it is improving his contact balance as he is engaged in double teams. One versus one I have no issues with; very few IOLs are going to win that. Him consistently maintaining balance as a space eating NT will greatly increase his abilities.

 

I would do it even for a 1st and 2nd next year. Take that and parlay it into a top 5 pick and go after a franchise QB. Then extend Asante Samuel Jr. and groom Daylon Everettte. Bottom line. It’s a QB driven league and we have an offensive minded head coach know for developing QB’s now is `the best time to go all in on a franchise QB. Joey Porter JR is t going to get us a Super Bowl a young franchise QB may.

 

I agree that your point is geared towards dynastic wealth.

I don't know if Billy Joel is bad with money. That is still making money off royalties and touring.

As far as JPJ's example. Let's say he has 3 kids. He can put a million in a low index the day they are born and move that into a trust or whatever rich people do when setting their kids up early. That is an example of generational wealth. By the time these kids access that money as adults its going to compound into an amount that puts them in the top 1% for their age range.

One last thing, all these people will still work in some capacity. Elon works, Billy Joel works. JPJ will still work. But the kids of JPJ may follow in the footsteps of their dad just like JPJ. That's money on top of money. They will also be able to network in Pittsburgh or wherever he retires.

 

Yeah indeed there are some owners who have inherited that ownership. The majority are not. I’m specifically talking about the owners who started a business developing it to a success and worked their asses off to build that business up to create the wealth they did to be able to buy a nfl franchise? Have you ever owned a business or bet on yourself? The financial risk is tremendous. These athletes in today’s world may work hard physically but com on man they are cuddled and propped up at a very young age often earning money even before college now simply because they are athletic. They are millionaires by their early 20’s. The owners often work for decades before they accumulate the wealth they have. The grind many of these owners endure is significantly longer and more intense than antheletes endure. By the way many of these atheletes today are offspring of former professional atheletes and so they are born with a golden spoon. They get infinitely more chances in youth and highschool to prove themselves just because of their last name and they often have much more exposure during the recruiting process because of Daddy’s connections and the shear laziness of many of these recruiters. Do you know what that does for their confidence at an early age? Confidence is everything in sports especially at a young age.

I have seen it with my own eyes. I have experienced the recruiting process with my son. Last name and connections matter in a huge way. Recruiters will always lean on the easy choice not the athelete. Many many 6’3” 285 lb olineman who are significantly better get passed over for the 6’6” 300 lb olineman just because they don’t meet the metrics. Recruiters want to keep their job and if they pick the 6’3” 285 lb kid and he fails it’s on them. If they pick the 6’6” 300 lb kid and he fails it’s on the kid. So many of these kids get a golden ticket simply because of their genetics. There are a lot of division 3 atheletes out there who are better than division 1 atheletes. Trust me.

Joey by the way was born with a golden spoon. I in fact remember him in youth football. He was not very good. He was in fact timid. But he got a lot of chances that others didn’t necessarily get. Obviously he grew into his genetics so I’m not discounting that but you act like these guys have it hard. Please spare me. It’s much much easier to grind and work hard athletically than it is academically.

 

https://www.steelernation.com/2026/09/12/steelers-rival-completely-joey-porter

 

You had one job Khan.

 

Look brother. I have lived it.

I grew up in a small family business. I was also an athlete that played several competitive sports and played football at the college level. I've been through the layers and layers of bull$hit that goes with trying to be a pro athlete. I was never the biggest or the fastest or the strongest. I didn't have the best or strongest arm. It is a GRIND and a ton of hard work. Not just physical. Try being a quarterback sometime and get back to me on how difficult the mental aspects of the game are. I understand not all positions are as mentally intensive, but these guys need to master football education if you will.

Some of what you say is true, but the overwhelming truth of athletics is that there are millions of athletes playing sports since they were small children, yet an infinitesimal number of athletes ever make a dime playing sports. These kids are fighting and competing with other elite athletes their entire lives. Sure, they're great athletes, but nothing is promised. Very few actually make it to play professional sports. It is a grind over almost two decades of dedicating their lives to sports and hoping there is a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. Spare me this hatred you have for all athletes that make a dime playing sports. The ones that don't many times don't have anything else in life because that's all they know. They put all their eggs in that basket and when they don't make the Show, they struggle for the rest of their lives.

There are not a lot of Division III athletes out there that are better than Division I athletes. There really aren't. There are some, and there will always be some late bloomers or overachievers that slip through the cracks, but that is a rare exception. Even if a Division III player is very good, they are almost without exception not NFL level talent.

There are 32 NFL teams. Each team has 53 players on the roster. That means only 1696 people on the planet are doing this at any one time. How many lawyers are there? How many doctors? How many engineers? Architects? CPA's? Come on man. Do the math. You are trying to compare occupations that have millions of people doing that work to an occupation that only has 1696 positions open at one time across the planet.

So few athletes get there. Only the elite. Your kid wasn't good enough. I wasn't good enough. Don't hate the people that were good enough and ascended to the summit and reap the benefits.

A decent amount get scholarships to pay for all, or at least some of their college tuition.

You have all this contempt and bitterness inside you about this. It isn't healthy my man. Try to let some of that go if you can.

 

Michael Jackson died $500MM in debt.

Gemini says his lifetime earnings is somewhere between $2.1B to $2.6B. Says ~ $3B when adjusted for inflation.

Just because it's technically possible to piss through generational wealth, doesn't mean it wasn't generational wealth after you pissed it away.

If you look upthread, you can see that I did the math already if Porter had kids and he gave them money 30 years from now (after whatever money he saves now doubles 3x...which is probably conservative).

I think it's sometimes hard to comprehend how big numbers get when they grow exponentially.

 

That's the argument the Steelers will be making IMO.

But there's a difference between "almost" guaranteed and fully guaranteed.

Part of it is practical.

And part of it is certainly going to be ego driven.

 

No, I can apply logic and critical thinking to each item and believe accordingly because that is the intelligent way to approach the limited information we have. Was there even a report that no team wanted to trade for Porter? I don't remember seeing anything but speculation, and that speculation makes no sense. A stud corner just entering his prime is going to draw interest, even if the actual offers aren't enough to make a trade happen.

What is the evidence that the team got no offers on Porter? That he wasn't traded? Hey, can you believe no team made an offer for Bijan Robinson? It must be true because the Falcons didn't trade him. See how that logic fails?

 

I'm amazed that you can watch football given how much resentment you hold toward players for making the sort of money you can't.

 

Any idiot using Porter's penalties over the last three years isn't worth listening to on this. He did have a big penalty problem, but he addressed that. Any evaluation of Porter that ignores his progress is worthless.

 

Me too. I compartmentalize it. Nameless grey faces.

 

Not necessarily. It’s one year.

 

Well if anyone knows if the Steelers would take care of you it should be the Porters.

 

It is steady progress. Let's also remember the guy hasn't been beaten for a touchdown in a very long time.

 

I would agree minus the fact of the team trading up for a Franchise QB. As it stands currently, only three that I see would warrant that label. In addition, as it was the case last week, there are Steelers Scouts in Attendance today at the Michigan vs Oklahoma game. In addition, the Steelers Scouting Department is also at the Alabama vs Kentucky game as well.








So far, based on this info in addition to the Clemson LSU attendance by the team, the Steelers seem to be dead set on Defensive Help. Secondary namely bur oh most definitely Safety. Alabama has two players; Keon Sabb and Bray Hubbard. Oklahoma has Peyton Bowen and Michigan has Rod Moore. Kentucky has Lance Heard as an Offensive Tackle but he is very likely to go Day One by the end of the season.


I wouldn't rule out selecting a Wide Receiver in Round 1 of next season either. Keep in mind this is all guesswork; lots of things can change.

 

This.

He takes more penalties than most (was better at this last year).

But if I'm a coach, I'm pretty sure I tell a CB to take a penalty over giving up a TD 100% of the time.

 

My kid was good enough. He shut down multiple division 1 and 2 antheletes. It wasn’t football. He didn’t get the exposure in the recruiting process. We just didn’t care to play that game and do the networking to get him exposed. I saw on multiple occasions kids get recruited because they met one of the metrics size or speed but better atheletes with more heart got passed over. I don’t have contempt I’m just a realist. The recruiting process is often governed by fear and protecting one’s job. It’s a higher risk to go for the guy who doesn’t meet the metrics.

But using your argument of only 1696 people are doing this at anyone time and saying you being a lesser athelete worked your ass off but you weren’t big enough or fast enough kind of proves my point. These guys were born genetically superior. So a tremendous amount of luck was involved. Not all of these guys had to work for it like you did. They just were physically a better athelete than you.

just because you grew up in a family business doesn’t qualify you as an expert in that world. Most people successful in that world had to work their ass off and they grounded a lot longer than most of these atheletes did to get where they are. They weren’t catered to either along the way. It’s markedly easier to go lift weights, run agility drills or practice throwing or catching a ball than it is grinding on physics, biology or mathematics.

 

Well where is his loyalty. The Steelers took a chance on drafting him. It annoys me.

 

It was reported. You didn't read the highlighted in the post. And it's no more speculation than the 'no contract offer' reports. Critical thinking based on media? Um, ok.

 

I have had an interesting conversation about this type of thing many times and the answers I get are always shocking to me.

So UND is a national powerhouse in men's hockey. They have a long and storied history in the sport and get recruits from all over the country and Canada. NDSU just 70 miles away is a football school and FCS powerhouse. The farmers school churns out football players like they are printing money but they dont have a hockey program. North Dakota is a hockey state just like Minnesota, almost every kid plays but not everyone is talented enough to play beyond high school. So I ofter ask if NDSU was to start a hockey program, as a player would you choose the Bison program where you could start and play for 4 years or would you choose the Hawks where maybe you ride the bench for 3 years and get bottom six ice time in your senior year?

Almost 95% of people I ask say they'd choose UND and ride the bench because even the barely skilled players would rather play for team that is favored to win a national championship every year than a brand new program. It's just an interesting discussion in how athletes and lay persons view sports.