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James Harrison

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by Rush2seven, Feb 15, 2015.

  1. Rush2seven

    Rush2seven Well-Known Member

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    Like wine, JH gets better with age
     
  2. CK 13

    CK 13 Well-Known Member

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    I understand Contracts point. If Harrison does come back it should be as a pass rush specialist not the full time starter. Worilds will be gone. Moats needs to be signed. James can still bring it but not full time.
     
  3. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    I can see this point. my thinking is if worilds goes JH will be the mentor to the LB'ing core. none of which would have had a long time playing in it. including moats if brought back. if worilds is kept then JH becomes less important in that capacity.:cool:
     
  4. thorn058

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    Except that Worilds is barely adequate in any regard. His numbers in spot duty two years ago were phenomenal but as a fulltime starter he averaged fewer sacks and less pressures. He whined about having to play coverage, got blown up by average RB's when he did blitz and was uninspiring for the 10 million he was paid. Not the type of guy you want setting the example of how Butler and the team want you to play
     
  5. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    not saying he's our answer. I'm saying one of the two needs to be here next year. if KC is dead set on keeping worilds then we won't need JH. I'd prefer we sign JH for one more and let worilds walk.:cool:
     
  6. thorn058

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    This is another case of KC not wanting to walk away from money and time invested in a player as well as a bad decision with using the tags. Worilds is just another link in the chain of Starks, Kemo, Colon and so on. I would rather they pay 1 million for Harrison in any condition for a year while bringing along some prospects than pay more money to Worilds that hurts the cap and just extends the problem another year. Walk away and start a clean slate.
     
  7. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    agreed thorn. there are many questionable guys that have been kept for my liking throughout his tenure. knee jerk signings without a clear plan.:cool:
     
  8. freakfontana

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    x2
     
  9. PWP

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    Times 10. Like that huge contract Cortez got because we had very little talent at the position. Then you hear KC say that Cortez has a confidence problem, damn did the staff fall asleep at the wheel . Someone had to know he had potential confidence issues and if so he should have never got that contract.

    CB is for sure 1 position you can lack confidence .We need to draft or sign some CB'S with skills and mad brash . A great CB will always believe he is better than the guy in front of him , if not he is beat already.
     
  10. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Easier to fix a confidence problem than a lack of talent problem, he has the skills. He was also playing hurt.
     
  11. freakfontana

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    Delijzc on another forum on colbert :

    He had a pretty good track record in the first round when Cowher was here: Plax, Hampton, Simmons, Polamalu, Roethlisberger, Miller, Holmes. 18 Pro Bowl Season, 446 Career AV and 758 Career Games Started (for 7 players).

    To me it's always been a philosophical issue with Colbert as the draft gets into the mid-to-late rounds. The two biggest disappointments in his early 1st round drafting are the WR's and I just don't value them as 1st round picks. History has proven that correct.

    To me he drafts too many prospects that don't have the basic physical traits to develop into NFL-level contributors.

    He has admitted that after the 4th round, he almost shuts down and looks only for "special teams contributors".

    He has drafted FIVE mid-round QB's as developmental prospects and not ONE developed even enough to be a backup QB here.

    He drafted a punter in round 4.

    He does a bad job at offensive line evaluation and unless a prospect practically drops into his lap (Pouncey, DeCastro) there aren't many plus O-line draft selections in his history (Willie Colon was good but arguably forced into a wrong position).

    Not consistent enough in his philosophy of late. What exactly IS a Steeler's linebacker these days? The underathetic Jones? The overathletic Shazier? The edge development guy in Worilds? The traditional big guy in Woodley? One year speed is everything, the next it's completely overlooked as part of the evaluation (Shazier vs. Jones). One year we care about off-field issues (passing on Carl Nicks for example) and the next we overlook it (Rainey/signing Blount).

    Too many frivolous picks on hood ornaments to "fix" special teams which statistically are not nearly as important as the media and coaches make it out to be. Willie Reid, Daniel Sepulveda and the Rainey/Archer selections were all touted as primarily "special teams fixers" and none had tangible impact on wins/losses. Not even close (we ended up winning the Super Bowl after Sepulveda got HURT!!!).

    In my opinion, Colbert basically throws away 1 in 5 or 6 draft picks just on common sense, philosophical issues that should EASILY be corrected based on history alone, yet he doesn't learn and continues to make the same mistakes again and again.

    I have a hard time accepting that type of job performance and have stated numerous times I would have fired Colbert last off-season after our second 8-8 season. It didn't happen and the 11-5 season with an easy schedule probably bought Tombert a few more seasons.



    i tend to agree with him ...colbert has a lot of question mark after cowher years....
     
  12. thorn058

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    I don't know Blast 6 million would go a long way towards fixing my confidence problems. At what point with something like that do you say we can't afford to give a player time to regain his swagger, sometimes Ike has stolen it all. What ever happened to those two CB's who were best friends in college that Tomlin drafted early in his tenure that were late round project guys?
     
  13. turtle

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  14. freakfontana

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  15. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    heck I've been saying these same things about KC.:cool:
     
  16. TerribleTowelFlying

    TerribleTowelFlying Staff Member Site Admin Mod Team

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    When did Colbert say that?
     
  17. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Yeah, I'll need to see a link to that.
     
  18. freakfontana

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    i asked delijz but he didn't post anything lately .. i would let you know
     
  19. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Oh hell, I'm definitely withholding judgment until I see a link :lolol:
     
  20. steel1031

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    :applaud:
     
  21. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    I do remember an article about their process of choosing players in the draft. it was about the time beachum was drafted so probably 3-4 years ago. I remember them talking about bruehner having a lot to do with getting beachum. that's the part that made me remember that article. they talked about KC and MT agreeing on players and KC making decisions on the early rounds. come the latter rounds the scouts had more say so in them. I'm not sure about the ST's part but it does ring a bell. where I saw it is beyond me at this point. it was KC talking about it though. :cool:
     

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