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Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by Steel Acorn, Dec 29, 2021.

  1. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    3.7 yards a carry and 700 yards on the season isn’t making your point. Your point would be if he had 1200-1400 yards and 4.7 yards a carry.

    I don’t know where this idea started that all RB’s are cut from the same cloth.

    There is one reason and one reason only not to take a RB in the first rd, shorter shelf life. Even with that, he was still the best value with what else was available.
     
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  2. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    I think history shows us that the Giants are likely to select the wrong guy. I’d be thrilled to get another 10+ year Pro Bowl center with our first rounder. I haven’t watched film of him yet, but if he is as advertised he’s a good target to be sure.
     
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  3. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    I'm talking for next year as a backup. Leglue is the only guy we have that can play all positions. That helps on game day to have one of those guys in waiting. Coward nearly got Ben killed when he entered the game for a play and Ben said something about it to tomlin and leglue went back in immediately. Coward doesn't have much worth beyond this year.

    pridgeon, leglue, and re-sign okrafor as a backup swing guy would be all I may keep for camp next year, the rest, I'd draft and look to free agency for. Moore green, dotson I'd keep as starters, leglue, pridgeon and okrafor as depth and draft and bring in two new starters in free agency. A couple of priority udfas in camp as well and see what sticks. Unless they come up with another Swiss army knife type player somewhere. :cool:
     
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  4. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    I doubt Chuks would re-sign here as a backup, he can probably get better offers in free agency, they still don't know what they have in Banner.
     
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  5. Rel

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    I wasn't suggesting taking someone else with that pick, I was suggesting they should have tried to trade down, out of the pick. The fact that the only value for them was a RB tells me they would have had more value with more picks.
     
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  6. AskQuestionsLater

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    Under Gettleman? Without a doubt. That said, reports had surfaced that Gettleman is going to retire after this season. Even if he does not, I seriously doubt the Mara's are going to want to stomach a fifth consecutive sub par class even if one hits. Add the fact that Billy Price is the current Offensive Center and all signs should point to Gettleman or whomever their next GM is to acquire Tyler. Billy Price is not opening up holes for the likes of SaQuon Barkley nor properly diagnosing pre snap defensive schemes for the rest of the Offensive Line the way Tyler can.



    In short? Tyler simply is what Billy Price is not. Keep in mind also that while Gettleman has made some very unusual picks, nabbing Andrew Thomas is turning out to be one of his better, if not best move, yet. If anything, among the 2020 Offensive Tackle Class, Thomas has played the best overall. Do not sell the Giants short on keeping their eye on Linderbaum.
     
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  7. Master Of Puppets

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    there hasnt been a center taken in the top 10 since 1981. russ grim. and only 2 in the top 15. 1993 steve evritt.
     
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  8. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    they do know he has been here for 3 years and has played a handful of snaps. If chuks can get more elsewhere then so be it. I wouldn't go into the off season depending on banner and chucks as anything but depth. We need better. :cool:
     
  9. AskQuestionsLater

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    Different league now. Different rules. Most importantly?! Different eras.



    Teams no longer solely rely on their number one pass rusher to come off the edge from one side nor do they just merely bring specifc players in for the blitz. There have been so many major evolutions of blitzes since that time to the point of having a great Center is of the upmost importance.


    If anything, I can make the argument that the Center position now has as much value as the Left Tackle spot.
     
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  10. Master Of Puppets

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    i think it has more to do with $$$. when something is cheap it is just not as high in demand. LT's fly off the board because the good ones cost in the 23 million a year range. a left tackle on a rookie salary is good for the cap. compared to the top centers in the 12-13 million range. detroits center just became the highest paid center with a 4 year 54 million contract 13.5 per year. the dolphins lured corey linsley away from the packers with a deal that averages 12.5 million a year. the average pay for a starting center is probably about 8 million a year. only 8 out of the 32 avg above 10 million. only 14 avg above 5 million.
    https://overthecap.com/position/center/
     
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  11. steelersrule6

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    I agree, I wouldn't count on Banner next season, if a guy like Beachum can get a free agent offer and start I think Chuks can get a better offer.
     
  12. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    possibly but there are a lot of free agent tackles going to be out there next year. many one year deals this covid season. :cool:
     
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  13. KMM

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    The OL is the biggest deficiency this year, but you can't make a reach with your first round pick either. You take the best player that fits the need or you do indeed trade down. RB was no doubt a need.

    As for the leading RBs aren't first rounders, I'm not sure that's a good measure, only because it's a self-fulfilling result in many ways since RBs are currently devalued in the draft. A better measure may be something like Pro Bowl appearances or 1000 yard seasons per draft position, i.e. how many first round vs third round RBs drafted end up being productive. I don't know the answer, but if it's the same % then yeah, don't draft a RB in the first.

    Since we're armchair GM'ing, how about bringing back Mother Hubbard. He's a free agent in '22, but coming off a season ending tricep injury. I don't know how effective lineman are coming off that injury, but he can probably be signed without breaking the bank.
     

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