I am willing to give Mason another chance how bout you?

Bradshaw's first 3 games he was stuffed for a safety in each of them. Yep. that was foolish alright. Fans were giving up on him after his first season.

 

and Reid spent the year learning what he wanted to do with Mahomes and then did it. Three days and the refusal to chuck the playbook and get things that work for Mason in is what was killing them

 

yeah it's literally just stupid how easy they make it for him. Tom we see this defensive formation so it will be soft underneath, take a two step drop and deliver a 5 yard pass to Edelman on the right. No turn left and shirt dump off to Burkehead

 

The team needs to give the kid some support. In two games, the offense rushed for 160 yards. Rudolph accounted for 22 of those yards. The o-line has problems blocking. Yet, Fichtner sends Snell wide and watched Rudolph scramble for his life.

 

Well, he’s got a 1st round RB, several higher round picks on the o-line and at WR he has a superbowl MVP and a former All-Pro.

Until recently he had one of the best TEs possibly of all time...

I get so sick of this “Patriots do so much with average talent” bollocks.

 

The problem with both coordinators is that they’re trying to adapt schemes when they’ve spent most of their careers running older approaches that the rest of the league are wise to.

Promoting from within is good for continuity. But we don’t need continuity, we need schemes that play to the strengths of the guys we’ve got on the field.

 

I never said he has average talent but he has as of now lost his number 1 wr, kareem hunt and their replacement for hunt, and his left tackle but they havent missed a beat. I just said I belive with how TALENTED individually he is as a player I believe he is capable of leading an average team. He is on another level like anyone we havent seen. He is literally going to change the way we look at Qbs.

 

Of course but that not saying anything about mason individually that's almost anyone if you put that around them they will more than likely be successful. And like I said we havent had an elite all around team since the sb team in 2010. Im saying is he the guy that despite all that is he individually great enough to overcome those deficiencies.

 

I know Edelman is a sb mvp but let's be honest he isnt even a top maybe 15 Wr in the nfl. He is a guy who just benefits from.their system. He only plays in the slot, doesnt go against number 1 corners on the outside and the few times when he did he got shutdown, and he doesnt run the entire route tree. Everything is short yardage between the numbers. He doesnt run the comeback, post, fly, dig, ect...

 

Brady is probably the only qb we can look at in history and say that guy literally got better as he got older and I mean as in he was better in his late 30s than he was in his late 20s. You cant look at any other player and their prime mirrors his. So that's A bad comparison as no one else in the 100 year history of the game had a prime like his.

 

For sure - no disagreement in the between the numbers point. That said, he’s very good at what he does.

So I wouldn’t call him “average” in that sense. If he was they may as well have Dorsett or someone in there instead. His catching ability is very good.

 

One could make a case for Johnny Unitas?

He went 0-2 in his first game so I guess Mason has the edge so far lol

 

I'm not too familiar with his overall career but I just looked up his stats and everything and he did win mvp and an NFL championship in his 4th season.

 

Dorsett cant run really anything on the route tree consistently but a fly route. But without edelman year before last amendola was killing in the slot in the playoffs and before those 2 it was wes welker.

 

He also won MVP and had SB appearances in his 30s.

It’s a minor quibble, and you could say the game has changed, but I guess I’m just wary of saying someone is the only one to do something in 100 years.

Jim Plunkett might be another example, though not sure how old he was when he won 2 SBs.

 

Neither Amendila or Welker we’re average receivers though. My point was people bang on about how the Patriots are nobodies plus Brady, and it’s just not true. Not in all cases, anyhow.

 

Welker wasnt average. He was leading the league in catches, made several pro bowls, and all pros. Amendola though was average. And that's far from the truth that they have nobodies. The thing is though they a lot of time are the less talented then their opposition but they somehow find a way to win. Its still mindboggling.

 

But the thing about brady is he is a better qb than he was when he was younger. Hes putting up better numbers and started winning mvps later in his career and comparison to earlier. That's what I mean by that. Not just him winning rings later on hes actually playing better later than he did. Elway won 2 rings late in his career but he was not the player he was in his younger days.

 

Gotcha.

I’d probably still put Plunkett in that category of getting better as he got older, though he also got Marcus Allen which helped a fair bit...