How concerned are you about the Steelers pass defense?

do you suggest we just keep it the same? we need help badly back there. if not hilton move gay. try brian allen. sensabaugh can play the slot too. maybe artie to the slot. heck we have to do something. we have two weeks to find an answer. mitchell is killing us. golden isn't much better. i'd settle for wilcox and davis, but do something. all i'm saying is hilton has played the position before.

 

But the tape!!!!!!


Side point, but I have a suspicion Butler tells his guys to act on instinct far more than Lebeau would. A lot of the big plays given up by the D came from DBs trying to jump routes, or LBs trying to sniff out the ball and miss their gap.

Part of that is obviously discipline and young players learning, but I wouldn’t be surprised if Butler is giving a license to be aggressive in that way. Nothing to back my suspicion up, mind.

 

eh to be fair stats can be inflated. Like giving up huge points and big plays to a team, then stifling a third stringer the next week.

Then again everyones stats have been inflated lol. Raisins got gashed, jax got gashed, redskins and panthers gashed Vikings, although I think Min is best overall.

 

They lead the league by far with 56 sacks so their pass defense is doing a pretty good job....

 

the kid is 4th on the team in tackles this year and actually 3rd with shazier gone now of active players and tied for 5th in sacks. he played strong and free safety in the SEC at a high level. i do think he's capable for a few games.

 

we've had 11, 10, 17, 13, 16 the last 5 years. 7 of this years are by backups and a guy on IR. 5 are by LB'ers. only 1 of those is from a guy thats on the field usually in passing downs and the other guy with 3 is gone for the year. only 2 are by starting corners. 3 by a starting safety and 2 from a slot corner. 1 by a backup free safety. that's the part that's troublesome.

 

Yep. Butlers defense has been more aggressive = more splash plays.

The flip side is, they’re going to give some plays up. But people need to balance perception with overall performance.

 

I agree earlier would have been much better . I was suggesting it 4 or 5 seasons ago. The real reason I keep mentioning it is because of how poor Mike is as a Single High guy.

If you guys watch the gift from Depot then it is clear DHB would be better than Mike . The Single High would just be a package we could use and use effectively with DHB .

My main point is you can't Coach speed or the ability to close while the ball is in the air . DHB can do that and that's exactly what is missing in our Single High look.

 

davis has plenty of speed to do it too. it would give him less to do in run support and have the play in front of him. wilcox could play the SS spot. whats he going to do miss tackles? we already have that going on. he's healthier than mitchell. he's shown in the past he can cover. hilton could stay in the slot. sutton and haden could play the outsides and burns or sensabaugh could become the dime. we have two weeks to work on this.

 

Our defense has a flaw and the flaws are, Ryans replacement is a guy that couldn't make our team, was watching football from his couch 4 weeks ago. How in tune is our defense when the backup to Ryan on our team wasn't good enough, to back up Ryan ? The defense in general can't tackle. They brag about our fast linebackers but mostly I see them chasing players. Our secondary wow ! They looked confused, can't cover and can't tackle. If you want to beat the Steelers, just get a miniscule slice of the field and that offensive player is off to the end zone. If we play Kansas and the rookie QB starts, he will run all over our defense. Mostly I think our defensive secondary is undisciplined.

 

It is obvious to everyone that you can't play Cover 2,3,4 against the Pats . Brady will torch it . It is also obvious we can't play Cover 1 with Mike deep . If we do our only chance is HOPE the WR drops it or Hope the QB makes a bad throw .Not good going into a game using Hope as a tactic .

No Sir Hope is not a tactic .

If we leave it the same that's all we are doing is hoping .

 

nah not dismissing it at all, we are where we thought we would be from last year(sacks are a surprise). Just saying a lot of our stats are compiled from the beginning of the year collectively.

Last 8 games we have given up 22 ppg, first 8 we gave up 16 points a game.

We just shifted as a team, defense carried us, now offense carries us.

heck we are 13-3, don't take my antics as a reason to be upset. I'm happy as Jarvis was collecting a check. I just like this board, and need reasons to post lol.

 

I think the defense will be okay. I see the secondary touching the ball more than they were 4-5 season ago. Even if they don't get INTs, they are making more plays on the ball. Like someone else said, they are ball hawking more instead of just setting up to tackle the catch.

Remember that 5-6 seasons ago we all wanted to see more of this since the soft zone was getting carved up by many QBs.

The defense has managed to get the team this far. Continue to believe, people.

The loss of Shazier is much larger than his natural skills. He was captain of the defense, no? He was calling out adjustments, etc, no? That is a bigger missing piece than his ability to make plays in the backfield, at the LOS and in the second level. The Steelers have 2 weeks to figure it out. And I'm confident that they will.

The secondary will look good as long as the front 7 are applying pressure. No secondary can look good when they opposing QB has time to check his email while running through his progressions. They don't have to sack the QB, but they do need to run the QB away from a comfortable position and hit him on several plays. The sacks will come. And so will the INTs.

They'll be fine.

 

you look at the reverse this year and the one he had last year. Dude still has the jets....wish Mitchell would have retained some of that speed.

 

This.


Aggression requires risk. High risk, high reward. Payoffs or dividends tend to extreme levels of the specturm with zero binaries.


Eessentially, while the argument against Mike's age is credible, to state that he is the sole reason why splash plays happen so often is a representation of the fanbase being collectively ambiguous regarding the secondary, coverages and personnel matchups as a whole.

 

Not entirely true.


Butler has given those players the green light due in part towards their inexperience. In short? More rookies or young players means an increased focus on teaching the players how to react first, think second.



Coincidentally enough, said point is an issue Artie has struggled with all year.... even though that, when he relies purely on instinct, reminds all of us why he was a first round pick.

 

Wasn’t the schedule harder in the second half of the season?

 

Aside from patriots those offenses sucked second half


First half we played 5 top ten offenses, second half only 2

 

here ya go glenn. you talk about the coaches knowing. MT must have felt hilton was capable.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...ay-106454350&usg=AOvVaw2nmQP135KO5QOfsI7q7S2z

we shall see. no it's not out of the question as some of you may think. the kid is good enough to do this. it just depends on if our staff actually make the move.

 

I am with you Mac, how do we limit GRONK's touches? Please please Steelers

work on this before the playoffs start. The same old same old is NOT working.