Hines snubbed again…

There was a lot of hatred of Hines when he played. Mostly because he was a tough guy blocker. A lot of people claimed he was a dirty player and threw illegal blocks. Just like Blount and Tatum in the 70s, his hits were legal at the time. He'll get in eventually....

 

Hunts ketchup is always on sale and cheaper but I will only buy Heinz because of the Burgh. I got so pissed over the Patriots one year I refused to have "Kraft" mac and cheese in our house even though he has nothing to do with Kraft. I think Kraft and Heinz are same owners now.

 

“Who’s your daddy now?”

 

To me, Hines has some of the best hands I have ever seen from a WR.

When he was thrown the ball, being on a run first team, he caught almost everything that came his way.

I keep waiting for the stat nerds to come up with most 3rd down conversion catches. He would be up there. Mr. Clutch!


Also Ward was an exceptional route runner.

 

LoL. I'm laughing because I did the same for a while. I wouldn't buy anything that said Kraft on it, and I still only buy Heinz condiments .
Except for Louisiana Hot sauce.

 

That is the curse of the hall's voters, they concern themselves with numbers as being the overwhelming factor in whether or not a player is worthy.

In Hines Ward's case while his numbers might not reach the level of Holt or Johnson but neither of those two or even Hester caused the league to change the way Ward did. When they have to create a rule to protect defensive players from a wide receiver you are doing something right.

 

he put up better numbers and has more accolades than Hines. Both have rings.

 

Thought he would at the least make the 15. Its ok he is a HOFer as far as i'm concerned. The complete package and did it with a smile on his face.

 

he did make the pro bowl and put up numbers with Andrew luck. While luck was a future hof likely if he didn’t retire isn’t like he didn’t put up numbers with no one else. Also that one season Peyton didn’t play he was only 40 yards from a 1000 yd season. Wayne was a beast.

 

he was not better than aj nor Reggie Wayne. Hester by a wide margin is the best returner in nfl history.

 

holt made all decade over him..

 

He absolutely should be in the Hall. I feel he will go in as a senior member eventually. That's the curse of having so many Steelers there

 

He does have a case vs holt but holt has more pro bowls, made all decade over him and they were in the same era, more yards, only 11 less tds, has a 1st team all pro, and played 4 less years.

he has no argument over Reggie Wayne nor Dre johnson. Both were better, better numbers, and have more accolades. He was a better blocker than both though.

 

Run first isn’t an excuse. Bell was the best he in the game going over 1300 yards and AB still was putting up monster numbers. Hines just wasn’t that type of receiver. He will eventually get in the hall and he was a winner but purely from a skill set point he isn’t those other guys. Idek if he’s top 20 all time at his position.

 

different era. They didn’t throw the ball like that back then.

 

he made two all decade teams..

 

If it weren't for Goodell destroying special teams, Hester would have had more returns. No one got screwed more in their career by a scummy commissioner than Devin Hester.

 

Hester 41 career fumbles! (Part timer)
Ward 14 career fumbles. (Full time player)

The fumbles alone should've kept Hester out. Ward had all the intangibles.

 

What I’m saying is ... Hines was never gonna get the targets.

The 90s and early 2000’s were a completely different brand of football.

Colts and Rams were pass happy even for those days. Kordell was his QB for almost half his career ... Kordell wasn’t going to match the Colts or Rams in passing. He was a running qb who struggled with accuracy and we had The Bus.

Ben in his prime could mimic that with AB and Bell, but not the younger Ben. As a Rookie, Ben would sometimes only throw 20 times a game.

I just think if you throw Ward on the Colts for his whole career with Manning he does everything Wayne does and more. Same with greatest show on turf Rams.

If you put Wayne or Holt on the Steelers with Kordell, what do you think they do? Not any better than Ward. They benefited from where they were at, not to mention both dome teams.

 

Seriously, who cares about Pro Bowls or All Pros? Totally subjective.

 

I know Ray Guy is in, I think a kicker as well (excluding George Blanda who got in for still playing as a grandfather lol). I have np with Guy, he was unique and did changed many games he was on. I imagine Justin Tucker may get the nod one day. I just looked at Hester's career. Outside of WR which was nominal at best, is return specialist considered a 'position', if so was he prominent and far above everyone not only in his time, but all time? Hard to argue that about Hester. 3x all pro. 2x all decade team, on the all time team. I'll let the experts argue if a p/t position is worthy of HOF, but no doubt he was likely the best all time at what he did.

 

Pro bowl is as much popularity as production, and now many guys just blow it off and others go..but in stats they can (I believe) still claim pro bowler. All Pro is far different. Chosen by the press, sure some guys get snubbed by 'politics', but for the most part those that choose know the game and (at least in the past) All Pro certainly was a respected honor.

 

A while ago I was on a site where fans were lamenting overlooked players for HOF. No doubt some guys should be in, others get on for the very reason you state. Right place and time with (in your argument) exceptional Qb and system. The thing stats won't show is Hines value to the running game and other receivers yards after catch simply because he was a beast as a blocker. It gets mentioned here of course, but as time goes on it's something few will remember.