Hack was right about Vontaz Burfict

I'm aware. But Washington had worse hands than Sweed, and wasn't as good at getting open. And we had nothing invested in him. Put Limas in, give him a chance to get through his rough patch, and if he does, you have a much better player. He never got that chance, because they put him on the bench for half a season every time he dropped a ball. With Nate, they'd just keep going back to him. Nate displayed less talent and had tons of drops, but he got more chances anyway, and got a $4 million/year contract out of it with Tennessee.

 

JUSSSSSST when I had forgot that!!!!!!!!! LOLOLOLOLOL!!!! That is SO ridiculous! Good grief that's the WORST celebration I have EVER seen! Holy cow that was SOOOOOO stupid!!!! Rashard is supposed to be this deep intellectual guy but then he does THAT on NATIONAL TV??? WOW DUDE! JUST....

 

Damn TTF ,,,why?That has to be one of the Steelers most embarassing moments ever...I am just glad no reporter asked Mendenhall what he was doing,or what he was thinking at the time...

 

I think it's pretty obvious what he was doing! LOL. And I DEFINITELY don't wanna know what he was thinking!

 

i'm not seeing it snack. how can you come to an assumption that he would be a much better player? he has never been a much better player to this day, and nate is.

every wr drops balls. there was more to the limas saga then dropping balls. nate caught alot of balls too. limas caught a few too. why isn't limas playing in the NFL if he has so much upside and nate is his teams #1 now.

this is much like the LB from ohio state that everyone keeps thinking we shouldn't have cut. nobody wants him. why should we have not cut him and why would we want him back? this isn't a halfway house for downtrodden players. sorry i just can't find the logic in wanting these type players.

 

:swordsman: Lets talk more about how I was right.


HACK

 

i'm not seeing it snack. how can you come to an assumption that he would be a much better player? he has never been a much better player to this day, and nate is.

every wr drops balls. there was more to the limas saga then dropping balls. nate caught alot of balls too. limas caught a few too. why isn't limas playing in the NFL if he has so much upside and nate is his teams #1 now.

this is much like the LB from ohio state that everyone keeps thinking we shouldn't have cut. nobody wants him. why should we have not cut him and why would we want him back? this isn't a halfway house for downtrodden players. sorry i just can't find the logic in wanting these type players. [/quote:35h55hlq]
A career can sink like a stone. It can crumble. In Limas' 2nd year, he had weird mental problems that he had to go on IR for. ...Then he got hurt for real, and then he was a punchline. By that time they drafted a bunch of receivers to play over him. It's hard to make it big in year 4 or 5 when you've only played like 30 snaps in your career, all of 'em 4 years ago. The point Hack and I are making is that Limas displayed more talent in his relatively extreme few snaps than Washington ever did. He could get open faster and easier than any other Steelers receiver I can remember, pre-Wallace. That includes Ward, Holmes, Thigpen, anybody. Sweed barely ever sniffed the field, and he just torched defenses. That's part of what made his drops so embarrassing... he was 5-10 yards in front of the defender. Washington was faster than Sweed, but could never do that and still can't.

Now go back to his rookie season and imagine it plays out differently. Imagine the talented 2nd round pick who can get open in the end zone like clockwork plays significant time as a rookie. He drops some, catches some, but keeps playing. You don't need the butterfly effect to know that things would have been very different for him in year 2. Does he still get depressed and go on IR? Does he tear his achilles trying to make a comeback? Who the hell knows? All I know is we didn't even make an attempt to play this thing right. And what was the reason he was a bust and everyone hates him? Dropped balls. What made Nate Washington so frustrating? Dropped balls. It's not that Nate is terrible, it's that there was absolutely no reason to keep Limas on the field, but they did anyway. Because they enjoy being smug SOBs that laugh at the notion a rookie can play football. It's not even just Nate. Forget the fact that Sweed could have played over him, or at least split time with him. They never even went with 4 WRs. BA, who loves to spread it out more than anyone, would instead put a RB like Moore or another TE like Spaeth out at WR instead of getting Sweed out there. Why??

So yeah, I don't mean to pick on Nate, it's just laughable that people hate Sweed for his bad hands, and the guy we went with over him had the same bad hands, except over a much longer period of time. And he was a way smaller investment with less potential.

 

i'm not seeing it snack. how can you come to an assumption that he would be a much better player? he has never been a much better player to this day, and nate is.

every wr drops balls. there was more to the limas saga then dropping balls. nate caught alot of balls too. limas caught a few too. why isn't limas playing in the NFL if he has so much upside and nate is his teams #1 now.

this is much like the LB from ohio state that everyone keeps thinking we shouldn't have cut. nobody wants him. why should we have not cut him and why would we want him back? this isn't a halfway house for downtrodden players. sorry i just can't find the logic in wanting these type players. [/quote:29p1fyat]
A career can sink like a stone. It can crumble. In Limas' 2nd year, he had weird mental problems that he had to go on IR for. ...Then he got hurt for real, and then he was a punchline. By that time they drafted a bunch of receivers to play over him. It's hard to make it big in year 4 or 5 when you've only played like 30 snaps in your career, all of 'em 4 years ago. The point Hack and I are making is that Limas displayed more talent in his relatively extreme few snaps than Washington ever did. He could get open faster and easier than any other Steelers receiver I can remember, pre-Wallace. That includes Ward, Holmes, Thigpen, anybody. Sweed barely ever sniffed the field, and he just torched defenses. That's part of what made his drops so embarrassing... he was 5-10 yards in front of the defender. Washington was faster than Sweed, but could never do that and still can't.

Now go back to his rookie season and imagine it plays out differently. Imagine the talented 2nd round pick who can get open in the end zone like clockwork plays significant time as a rookie. He drops some, catches some, but keeps playing. You don't need the butterfly effect to know that things would have been very different for him in year 2. Does he still get depressed and go on IR? Does he tear his achilles trying to make a comeback? Who the hell knows? All I know is we didn't even make an attempt to play this thing right. And what was the reason he was a bust and everyone hates him? Dropped balls. What made Nate Washington so frustrating? Dropped balls. It's not that Nate is terrible, it's that there was absolutely no reason to keep Limas on the field, but they did anyway. Because they enjoy being smug SOBs that laugh at the notion a rookie can play football. It's not even just Nate. Forget the fact that Sweed could have played over him, or at least split time with him. They never even went with 4 WRs. BA, who loves to spread it out more than anyone, would instead put a RB like Moore or another TE like Spaeth out at WR instead of getting Sweed out there. Why??

So yeah, I don't mean to pick on Nate, it's just laughable that people hate Sweed for his bad hands, and the guy we went with over him had the same bad hands, except over a much longer period of time. And he was a way smaller investment with less potential.[/quote:29p1fyat]


i never did think it was his hands, i thought there was something other than that. practice? smarts? wrong routes? work ethic? who knows? the steelers have held on to other receivers and RB's over the years that really didn't produce but stayed with them for a good period of time. they didn't produce. charles johnson--walter abercrombie--there was another little wr and i can't for the life of me remember his name. he went on to play elsewhere and had the best game of his career against us and that was it for him. limas had something else wrong with him as a player. we don't normally just dump a player for a couple of drops. there's more to it plain and simple.

 

Hat off to Hack :hello: He did look very good against us Sunday night. Looks like he did do that 180 another poster posted in another post. (And peter pipper bla bla bla.)

He plays anywhere near as good the rest of his games he just may be on that plane to Hawaii.

 

I really truly think it was BA....He was in love with his new 4.2 WR.....and did not preach situational football....he liked.smaller, shifty and speed.

I don't think he wanted Sweed...and Sweed dropping the ball have him every reason to suit the bench.

ward, holmes, washington, rookie....I understand easing him in

Ward, holmes, wallace, sweed....could not ignore the talent in. front of him


But how does he barely see 30 snaps over those two years?

I would sign him today...to be #5 wr....and would even cut cotchery to do so if necessary


Hack

 

i wouldn't cut cotchery for him. cotchery has played well for us when called on and doesn't complain. there is absolutely nothing wrong with our receiving corp that would warrent bringing this kid back. get a LT first, not another wr.

 

As an ASU grad, I follow Sun Devil football, but I'm by no means a die-hard. There was a lot of chatter last year about Burfict, especially after ASU beat USC, a game in which he was a beast. What happened after is anyone's guess. There were no major off-the-field incidents. There were no injuries. He was an undisciplined head-case...but much less so than a guy like Lawrence Phillips, who STILL managed to become a high draft pick. So who knows?

 

I like Cotchery...but lets be honest...he has 4 catches this year.......I think Sweed could do what he does, as well as play on coverage units...and be that tall leaping redzone target the Steelers and Ben still need.

I would be willing to risk Cotch's 4 catches on Sweed or even Burress.

HACK

 

Thank you guys for easing the pain I feel over my bromance with Sweed. It is nice to know there are a few people here who saw his value and wonder what BA had up is wazoo about the kid. It is a shame Sweed couldn't get his head on straight but I really don't think the issue was in his hands. Snack I agree 100%... Sweed could get open like nobody's business. The guy was smooth and seemed to always be behind the defender. I really thought he was going to be one of the greats and I still, now and again, get a little emotional over his lack of a career. Then I watch our current receivers and it makes it easier to move on. Sorry Mac, to me Sweed and Nate were not even on the same planet.

 

I also had VERY high hopes for Sweed as well. I was thinking he was gonna be the next John Stallworth. As it turns out though that was not the case. The best play that Sweed had that I can really remember was the game I THINK against San Diego where he dropped a TD but then later in the game laid a RUTHLESS block on somebody and just plowed 'em. I think for me the biggest bust Tomlin has drafted is Sweed because I had the highest hopes for him. They often brag on certain players and talk about how the game is not too "big" for them. Maybe the case with Sweed was just the the game was too "big".

 

I still disagree, Burfict might have had a good night in tackles BUT the possiblity for him to be a loose cannon disrupting our team and locker room was just too high. T.O. can play WR but I never wanted him on our team. You have to set standards and stand by them or they mean nothing. Exceptions can be made if the player is serious about doing the right thing. Burfict was not.

I like who we drafted in the 7th as far as potential and position of need. They were well worth given the opportunity to come to camp and compete for a roster spot.

Comparing Burfict to Rainey and Adams is wrong. Sweed had more issues than just drops and that's why he's gone.

I would have given Burfict a invite via UDFA if he impressed during an interview, who's to say the Steelers didn't contact Burfict prior to or during or after the 7th rd and did NOT like what they heard. Would you still use a pick on him if that was the case?

Cajun-

 

Maybe you haven't heard but this team does have a "standard". LOL.

 

Yes I would have still drafted him in the 7th ..he cuts as easy as any other 7th round pick....and you are crazy if you think any of our 7th rounders were in the same potential area of Burfict


Hack

 

If Sweed had anything going for himself he would have made an attempt to try out for a team this year, obviously he didnt, which tells me his head isnt into playing football any more than it was when we had him, if he knew he had the skill to play in the NFL nothing would stop him from persuing his goal; he never had that desire to be a top receiver when he was here, and evidently he never will, he doesnt want it bad enough to ever get it.....

 

i agree jim, sweed is not on the NFL planet and nate is. we can assume all day about what he could have been and every NFL team could have taken that chance on sweed, not just BA and the steelers. so why is this kid out of football? other teams need receivers bad and could have taken a chance on him. none have though and i think it's strange that with all his abilities as you guys say not one team has picked him up to take a chance on him. hack, we have alot of players that need to go as it is, and throwing the most veteran of our receivers away because sweed might be able to play special teams and get 4 catches is outrageous when not one of the other 31 teams thinks he's good enough to even come to camp. we were right in getting rid of him. how long do you all want that saga to play out? i'm not even sure why we are talking about him anymore.

 

Sweed was ineed brought in by another team...think buffalo but dont remember....he had a horrible try out.


Sweed was a regular on coverage teams when here..so ST play fact not speculation. That he would play well at WR is speculation......but one I truly believe.

Cotchery is a good guy..and an ok player....but I doubt he catches 20 passes this year..maybe not 10

Hack

 

Burfict will show his true colors before this season is over, he will start getting personal fouls in bunches soon, because thats who he is, he ticked off wille colon enough to make willie bury him in the dirt, burfict has no respect for players or coaches, he beat up one of his own team mates at ASU and put him in the hospital which caused his team mate to miss the entre season, he failed the drug test at the combine and ran the slowest 40 of all the linebackers there. He failed all the team interviews by blaming his college coaches for all of his problems, I know this guy well enough to know he wont finish this season without doing something stupid, because thats who he is....

 

That is the whole point Diamond...IF you are right....you cut him at some point and not only are you out nothing...maybe you rented a LB that right now belongs in the DROY conversation.


If I am right I have an 8 year anchor in the middle...with a handful of pro bowls.
who does not cost anything until contract #2....where he will have either already proven himself..our been cut.

Risk vs reward...risk vs reward.


Hack

 

Bottom line - Burflict was a stud all night until he made that sex tape with Willie. Now he's ruined and will now be relegated to joining Lohan and Hilton (and Mendy) on Twitter.

TTF threatened to turn off the Avatar feature due to abuses and distractions - so while I'm not very adept at this new age techno jazz - I thought I'd get this pic of Megan Foxx on here before the ban took affect. Enjoy guys.