For those who think James Harrison is a traitor

Troy has just now become eligible. He will make the hall. We are taking guys who have been eligible that are not in.

 

Those guys were more productive longer than Harrison, who had maybe 5 dominant seasons the rest were average.

 

How long was charles haley productive? Hes in the hall because he was elite for a few years and has rings. Harrison was all pro more times than haley and has a dpoy. Andre tippett only made 5 pro bowls. Hes in. Like I said you cant find me a guy with his resume who's not in...

 

And bettis in an interview said he would have done THE SAME THING Harrison did.

 

They refer to harrison as a hall of Famer in that video.

 

That wasn't what you said though DPOY, SB and in the Hall of Fame. It you meant HOF eligible then state that. You backpedal, cherry pick and turtle so much I can't be expected to read your mind.

Please see as well: LC Greenwood and Donnie Shell. I think four SB wins in 8 years, being part of perhaps the best defense in history and redefining the game at their position trumps DPOY also not in the HOF.

 

Harrisons credentials are marginal. He started more than 11 games in only 5 seasons.
He had 5 ProBowl appearances and 2 All Pro seasons, very nice, but almost all HOF LBs had more than that. His sack totals are low by HOF LB standards. He was a DPOY and won a couple of SBs, which is his strongest argument in his favor.

He'll have to wait a long time and it will depend how he is remembered. 20 years from now, voter memory will be hazy, he could be remembered as pass rushing terror, always in great shape OR he could be remembered as a jerk with too many personal fouls, who quit on his team.

 

Anytime the league has to change the rules to slow down a players dominance and disruptiveness, he belongs in the HOF.

 

Real Steelers fans

 

The league did not change the rules to slow down Harrison's dominance. The primary rule change that affected Harrison was related to player safety.

 

It is silly that having a signature moment helps players get into the Hall of Fame, but it does and Harrison has that with his interception return in Super Bowl XLIII. That will likely ensure that he will be remembered as a defensive playmaker. I just don't think he was a dominant player long enough. He really only had four big seasons.

Haley, for example, was among the best in the game for a longer period of time.

 

Making players unsafe was what made JH dominant.
Harrison was fined 4 times in 2010, the rule change went into effect before the 2011 season.

 

I think it had a lot to do with JH beyond the lawsuits, just like Aaron Rodgers broken collarbone is the reason defenders can't land on the QB anymore.

 

I mean as in a guy who wasn't elected to the hall... he obviously will be one. Hes a no brainer first ballot. Use common sense man and I also meant a guy who wasdpoy and won the sb IN the same season. I dont appluad just getting there personally. You play to win and it's only 1 winner at the end of each season. All you did if you played in the sb and lost was practice a extra week.

 

Lc imo should be in but he was overshadowed on a defense with several other hall of Famers. Hes kinda like Simon rice. The fact that harrison won dpoy and stood on that defense he was on was phenomenal. I know he's hated round here now but he was a huge reason we won our last sb..

 

The Vikings entire front 4 from the 70's is in and they didn't win anything. The process is subjective and what the voters choose to care about any particular year is always changing.

 

I never said you had to have a sb and get in. I'm just saying having a ring as a dominant player during the run can usurp not having the best of numbers. Sbs is the ultimate validation.

 

Oh yeah he will I thought you meant at the hof induction if he got in he would get booed.

 

I realize you didn't, I was pointing out that the slight to Greenwood is based on whatever the voters have cared about the last 20 years. They chose to vote in Page, Marshall and the rest based on their dominance of the LOS and placed little value on their failure to win in at least 3 superbowls. Meanwhile with the exception of a player or 2 the Bills defense that went to 4 consecutive SB's is not represented.

My opinion is Hines Ward deserves to be in based on his numbers, the Super Bowl wins, the SB MVP and the fact that his career altered the game. Most of the beat writers I have seen don't think that is the case. They are more impressed with stats alone and not much else.

 

Haley was the first player to win 5 Super Bowl rings, he also has 100 sacks . Try harder next time .

 

Because in Hines era he was never probably the best not even for a year. He was near the best but moss, to, harrison, and fitz all played in his era and all were better.

 

So because he got 13 more sacks than harrison that means he was more productive for an entire career when 13 sacks is only about a year worth of sacks.