Draft grades three years later

Great comp. I was a fan of the Mendenhall pick, who I think would thrive running in today's offenses. He ran from a shotgun spread at Illinois. Misused in Pittsburgh.

 

I honestly think Mendenhalls biggest problem was football was not his main priority .
Many will not admit this when drafted (of course)
,but just because they were great at football doesn't mean that's really what they want 2 do.
Though I understand (I just don't want us drafting these Guys), it's a way for them 2 financially get 2 do what they really want.

 

T. Edmunds so far has followed the Bud Dupree progression. Capable starter and progressing each year for the first 3 years. Like some have said, solid but underwhelming as a first rounder. Although TE34 has been very durable compared to Bud. Then Dupree had a big 4th year. Let's hope the same goes for Edmunds.

I still like the James Washington pick, he's sneaky fast with long arms. Hard worker by most accounts and Ben really started targeting him more when DJ18 and Error85 couldn't catch corona.

Mason. Drafting a QB in the 3rd is a tough proposition. But they had a high grade on him so they took the chance. It's no secret Ben didn't like the pick so that's a tough situation to come into also. I'm beginning to believe they should only take a QB very high or else go the FA route.

Chuks may be the starting LT so we'll see. Grade is still not quite complete, but I don't have a lot of confidence in him manning the left.

I didn't like the Samuels pick and still don't. Not even the Patriots game will change my mind.

Marcus Allen is stuck in between positions but I bet that was a Tom Bradley recommendation that just didn't pan out. He played LB last year when they were dropping like flies so there's that.

Overall, it was a draft where no one has really stood out. A couple average players and some depth players.

 

Bravo, well done.

I want to see Rudolph get his fair shake. I would rather it was this year but Ben had other plans. What I wonder is if the Steelers brass really believes in Rudolph enough to give him a full season under center. Time will tell.

 

I still stand by Terrell Edmunds. He was not a Safety by trade during his entire collegiate career minus one season. It was going to take him a while to get going. That said, 2020 was a sign of things to come. Should he ball out in 2021, chances are he prices himself out of here.



James Washington I loved. I still like him but not as much as Chase Claypool. However, Washington has not been used much overall and, even when Big Ben came back, he was used even less. I hope 2021 is different though as his contract is set to expire.



Mason Rudolph I had such high hopes for. I still do but not as much anymore due to the inclusion of Dwayne Haskins. Should Dwayne Haskins beat out the likes of Rudolph and Dobbs... this is not going to look good for him at all. I still believe he is a starting QB but no longer do I believe he is the answer that the Steelers need him to be.



Chuks Okorafor was my favorite pick in the 2018 Class as he, along with Mason, were given time to develop. 2020 he received his shot and, did okay. Okay yes.... but I personally was hoping for more. Adrian Klemm's coaching philosophy should tell us more about how aggressive Chuks can be. If he is unable to unlock his rage and not progress further ..... Dan Moore Jr. will be starting sooner than later should he be able to. However, the biggest asterisk to his 2020 performance is tied to the position he played; Right Tackle. Chuks is a Left Tackle by trade... so playing out of position did not help him here.




I really wanted Marcus Allen to pan out as a Strong Safety.... but he sadly could not. Now as a Linebacker, he just might pan out here although I would imagine that UG3 will have something to say about that. The battle between these two will be one worth watching.




Jaylen Samuels..... he still has some time but he arrived just too late to be of use for the team. Randy Fichtner did him, and the entire Offense, no favors. Doubtful he makes the team with the addition of Najee Harris.



Joshua Frazier hurts. I thought he would be the long term answer at Nose Tackle. Did not work out.




I had given this draft a solid B shortly after. I now give it a B+. Terrell showed significant progress, Chuks performed well given the circumstances of being out of position, James Washington still can be a reliable pass catcher and Mason improved to some degree. Marcus Allen and Jaylen Samuels are the two biggest question marks. That said, of the two, I am more interested to see what Allen does than Samuel's.

 

Good draft pick- Colbert. Bad draft pick- Tomlin. "bad"draft pick that turns out good- Tomlin until he starts to play good. "good" draft pick that turns out bad- Colbert until he bombs. Understand now?

 

You post this as if the performances by the quarterbacks were even close. They weren't. Roethlisberger demonstrated that he was going to be the Steelers' quarterback for a decade. Rudolph demonstrated that he likely isn't good enough to be their quarterback for even one season.

 

The funny thing is that you didn't stand by Edmunds at one point, then reversed course around the time he intercepted two passes in a game, his only interceptions last season. Those came against a thoroughly overmatched rookie quarterback. He also managed to get a sack in a big moment when the offense left him unblocked. That was it. Those three moments turned you, or at least gave you enough cover to go back to supporting him again. I'm not sure which.

 

Dupree showed a lot more his first three seasons than Edmunds, but he was slowed by injuries. He made big plays to balance out his mistakes. Edmunds, for the most part, doesn't do that. He has three interceptions and two sacks in three seasons. He has not forced a single fumble in the NFL. He has recovered one. Dupree needed to stay healthy and find some consistency, something he did in 2019 and until the torn ACL in 2020.

Also, just because Dupree took a huge leap forward in his fourth season doesn't mean Edmunds will do the same.

 

Of course not, every player is different. Bud just really came into his own in 2019 (his 5th year I guess) but was showing more consistent splash the last part of the 2018 season. His first 3 seasons were underwhelming just like Edmunds' has been. We can only hope that the switch is turned on for Edmunds like it did for Bud

 

No I didn't.
I talk about one getting smashed in the face and not being the same after, and you CAN'T compare the teams.
Do I think he's Ben . Hell No.
Do I think he can be good Yes.
I can think of about 10 starting QBs I think hes better than.
Also after Ben face planted that car he wasn't the same for a while.
Not every KO is the same.
I know this from personal experience.
Some you shake off like nothing, some take weeks. Be4 You're the same.

 

All I expect out of a backup is 60% comp. rate and a 1/1 TD/INT ratio. So, he was fine as a backup, lacking as a transition successor QB. If he doesn't clearly beat out Dobbs and Haskins with all his reps he's a wash.

 

Roethlisberger was nearly killed in a motorcycle accident, then underwent an emergency appendectomy right before the season. Rudolph took a big hit on the football field. Not the same things. Not even close.

 

You can think of 10 starting QBs that he is better than? Dude, you must be on something? C'mon man!

 

Ben also got knocked out of the Atlanta game with a concussion on Oct 22. after all that. That was a throwaway season.

 

I know something I can be on, but I'm not.
Can we not just have difference of opinion???
Yes I can IMO.
I know a lot of you get sold on some of these young QBs fast . I know I've read what a lot of you have said for years.
Only 2 back track when said Qb didn't turn out so well after one great year.

 

See I'm done with You.
You keep changing what we started with.
Now go back and do your copy Quotes.
You slow change the subject and get people do 2 the same. Then you go back and say.
I wasn't even talking about that.
This all started with ....You can't compare the teams Ben took over with , what Rudolph took over.
Period. If you can put both rosters side by side and say they were close.
Well I can no longer discuss this with you.

 

Also I have not missed a game .
Not one, since 1997.
So yes I know all of this, but go ahead and tell me again

 

Kettle meet pot

 

That's ok, you're entitled to your opinion. Who are the 10 starting QBs that he is better than? Just curious.

 

Was he writing about Ben or Mason?

Just asking cause this power ranking (one man's opinion) has Ben ranked better than 11 QB's in the league.
https://www.nbcsports.com/northwest...ings-all-32-starting-qbs-after-2021-nfl-draft

 

I thought Rudolph.

 

Well, if it's Rudolph than he's only two slots lower than Ben by that ranking.

LOL.


And yeah, I'd like to know what 10 starting QB's Rudolph is demonstrably better than also.

 

I'll try:
1. S. Darnold
2. Cam Newton
3. D. Lock
4. A. Smith
5. Giants qb
6. M. Trubiski
7. Dude that replaced Garrapollo
8. B. Mayfield (debatable imo)

Didn't quite make it.

 

A. Smith (Alex or Akili) is retired so he don't count. Not sure Cam or Trubiski are starters any longer so they may not count either. Mayfield is better than either QB on our roster if you go by the fact that he beat them both last season. Darnold is a tough one. He's not any good, but he played for a very bad team and Mason was not really much better playing for a much better team. I guess I'll grant you Lock, Daniel Jones and Trey Lance.

TBH, I'm not sure he's better than even 1 starting QB. Probably so. In fact probably 3-5, but damned if I'd know which ones. The problem is I can't name a team that I thought for sure would be better off with Mason as their QB compared to what they have now. The Giants for example had no offensive line whatsoever. I have no idea if MR would have done better than Daniel Jones behind that line.