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Daniel Jeremiah Mock 1.0

Discussion in 'The Bill Nunn Draft Room' started by TerribleTowelFlying, Jan 15, 2014.

  1. cajunyankee

    cajunyankee Well-Known Member

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    In short no!! Here's why.

    The cost. In order to move up from 15 to 11 would cost us the meat of this years draft AND the best of next years draft. We don't have a 3rd rd this year. If Mathews is there at 11 and if the Titans are shopping that pick there will be other suitors offering just about everything but the house.

    We have many needs across the defense and several on offense. We need to get younger and Ben isn't getting any younger, he has maybe 5 yrs left and loosing virtually this years entire draft and a top portion of next yrs is just too high a price.

    Cajun-
     
  2. numbah58

    numbah58 Staff Member Mod Team

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    Absolutely agree with this reasoning..
     
  3. TerribleTowelFlying

    TerribleTowelFlying Staff Member Site Admin Mod Team

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    I almost agree, but don't. What's the reasoning behind why you think it would cost so much? It's not that 'expensive' to move up.
     
  4. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    The only way Matthews slips put of the top ten is that he has terrible workouts or some medical problem, that scares off some teams.
     
  5. freakfontana

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    according to the trade chart you need 200 points to move from 15 to 11 , is exactly the 3rd we don't have , so or you give up a 2nd next year or you package a 4th this year and a 3rd next year .
     
  6. Wardismvp

    Wardismvp Well-Known Member

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    Always remember, there is a fool born
    every day. If the oppurtunity would
    exist, I think we would have to explore.
    See Raiders, the Cinncinatti Bengals stole
    off of them for the piece of **** Carson Palmer.
     
  7. SteelCity_NB

    SteelCity_NB Staff Member Mod Team

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    While I completely agree that Matthews will not fall to 11, here is a possible scenario where he could.

    A) He would have to have very bad worksouts.
    B) Greg Robinson puts on an athletic clinic during workouts.
    B) Enough teams would have to be desperate enough to grab all of these QBs that are out there (which happened in 2011)
    C) The draft would play out something like this:

    1. Houston - Tedy Bridgewater
    2. St Louis - JaDeveon Clowney
    3. Jacksonville - Blake Bortles
    4. Cleveland - Johnny Manziel
    5. Okalnad - Sammy Watkins
    6. Atlanta - Greg Robinson
    7. Tampa - Anthony Barr
    8. Minnesota - This is really the make or break pick. Possible Trade for a player someone is enamored with other than Matthews. Maybe a CB or a specific 4-3 type of player
    9. Buffalo - Khalil Mack
    10. Detroit - Eric Ebron

    As I said, its not a very likely scenario. Atlanta is going OT all the way, but if Robinson shines and Matthews doesn't Atlanta could go in that direction. I doubt Minnesota would take an OT, but I don't really know who they would go with. I see it as a likely trade spot. Buffalo won't go OT and I doubt Detroit does either. Detroit could go Defence or add another weapon to their offense. If Ebron puts up Vernon Davis-like workouts, he could jump into the Top 10.

    I personally feel that Jake Matthews will go #2 to St Louis though. Alot of mocks have a DE going to St Louis which I find puzzling since they have Quinn & Long. As good as Clowney may be, I can't see the Rams adding another DE at #2.
     
  8. numbah58

    numbah58 Staff Member Mod Team

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    Good breakdown NB..
    I think that there's a strong possibility that Atlanta will trade up to #2 and grab Matthews though.
     
  9. TerribleTowelFlying

    TerribleTowelFlying Staff Member Site Admin Mod Team

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    Going by the trade chart I suppose you could give a 4th this year and a 4th or 5th next year, which is a relatively small "cost" in terms of value. The trade chart is just theory, though. It's great for mocks, and I know teams use it as a rule of thumb, but I don't know how many draft trades actually end up correlating to it. Last year, the Dolphins moved up from 12 to 3 and they only gave up pick #42.

    After further consideration...this might actually happen for us! The Raiders pick at 5 this year. :lolol:
     
  10. TerribleTowelFlying

    TerribleTowelFlying Staff Member Site Admin Mod Team

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    Nice breakdown, NB.
     
  11. TarheelFlyer

    TarheelFlyer Well-Known Member

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    All of these mocks are going to change after the combine. Interesting part about the top 10 given above, with Ebron going 10. Matthews nor Evans are in that group.

    Also, based on what I am seeing right now, there are no first round RBs taken in the current mocks.
     
  12. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    I saw carlos hyde as clevelands 2nd first round pick at 26.:cool:
     
  13. SteelCity_NB

    SteelCity_NB Staff Member Mod Team

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    The fact that alot of people say how mocks should look so much different in April than they do right now is bogus in my opinion. While I do hold the Senior Bowl/East-West Shrine game in high regard, the Combine really doesn't hold alot of water in my books. It either confirms what I already think of a prospect, or might just give me some pause and cause me to go back and look at more tape. Unfortunately as fans we don't have access to interviews that the team conducts. I am sure this is incredible important to the teams themselves although as fans, we are left in the dark.

    For me, no single workout is going to erase 3-4 years of ACTUAL football that is on tape. Although he had some off the field stuff, 1 bad workout caused Vontaze Burfict not to be drafted, which is ridiculous considering the amount of good tape he had. There's too many prospects that unfortunately fall victim to this.

    I am someone who generally covets Seniors moreso than Juniors, unless the talent is undeniable. Going to make it trickier to evaluate this year considering 90+ Juniors declared.

    As for that Top 10 I listed above, in no way is that how I think it will actually shake out. I just listed a possible scenario that would allow Matthews to fall. In no way do I think that will actually happen.
     
  14. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    I agree about the tape NB. they all go to speed coaches to make 40 times better at the combine. what I look for mostly from the combine is quickness, strength, fluidity, and brains.

    I don't just look at jr. vs. sr. either. there could be a sr. that only started for a year or two and there maybe a jr. that's started for three years. again field time on tape is the biggest indicator for me.

    football speed.

    have they improved every year in school.

    brains again is a biggy if there are two guys close in production, since the cba limits how long we can sign a guy for, but that's every team. can they learn quickly. insticts are very high on the list too. football brains.

    competition they went against.

    the system they played in.

    all this wrapped up usually gives you a good chance of picking well.:cool:
     
  15. TarheelFlyer

    TarheelFlyer Well-Known Member

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    I completely agree. I don't think I am saying the combine SHOULD affect the rankings...only that it DOES.
     
  16. TerribleTowelFlying

    TerribleTowelFlying Staff Member Site Admin Mod Team

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    Right. If a "scout" is continually changing their boards like you see on some of the draft sites, or the combine is dramatically effecting their evaluation of a player, they're doing it wrong. It shouldn't really have an impact, but it does. There is definitely some useful data to be had from the combine, though.
     
  17. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    I think it's more about giving GM's, owners, head coaches and position coaches more of a chance to see and put their stamps on these guys. they are quite busy with other things too during the year.:cool:
     

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