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Comp Pick "Expert" Predicts Steelers Comp Picks

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by TerribleTowelFlying, Feb 8, 2014.

  1. TerribleTowelFlying

    TerribleTowelFlying Staff Member Site Admin Mod Team

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  2. cajunyankee

    cajunyankee Well-Known Member

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    I just read that a few minutes back. A 3rd, 5th and 7th.... hhhmmmm

    I'll take that but really would like that 5th to be a 4th for Lewis.

    Cajun-
     
  3. darcrav

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    good
    then I say we pick Jabari Price with that 7th

    I don't understand why it would NOT be 4th for Lewis no?
     
  4. TheSteelHurtin2188

    TheSteelHurtin2188 Well-Known Member

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    I don't understand why we would get a comp pick for Mundy and not mendy
     
  5. TerribleTowelFlying

    TerribleTowelFlying Staff Member Site Admin Mod Team

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    Personally, I don't think we'll get one for Mundy. Signing Bruce Gradkowski should effectively cancel out the loss of Mendenhall.
     
  6. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    what about signing of LSH? Fernando? levi? spaeth? palmer? antwone blake? cody Wallace? whimper? doesn't that affect who we signed? :cool:
     
  7. TerribleTowelFlying

    TerribleTowelFlying Staff Member Site Admin Mod Team

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    LSH- Doesn't factor due to low, non qualifying contract. Though, it's unclear how players on IR effect the comp picks. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. I'd say that's not a factor at all for him though, due to his small contract.

    Fernando? Cut by the Titans.

    Levi? Wasn't a free agent.

    Spaeth? Cut by Bears.

    Palmer? Claimed off waivers.

    Antwone Blake? Claimed off waivers.

    Cody Wallace? Doesn't factor due to low, non-qualifying contract.

    Guy Whimper- Doesn't factor due to low, non-qualifying contract.
     
  8. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    I see. i thought spaeth was a FA. thanks TTF.:cool:
     
  9. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    If they changed that to a 4th and not a 5th for Lewis I would be good with that.
     
  10. TerribleTowelFlying

    TerribleTowelFlying Staff Member Site Admin Mod Team

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    I think you're going to be disappointed. You shouldn't be though, gaining a 3rd and a 5th is great.
     
  11. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Yup, 3rd is huge, I can live with the rest.
     
  12. numbah58

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    I'd love the extra 7th but I'm guessing just a 3rd and a 5th, which I can definitely live with..
     
  13. SteelerGlenn

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    I wonder if this is where they take the draft pick for the Tomlin sideline incident, if they take one at all?
     
  14. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    I forgot about that glenn. that's where the extra 7th could come in handy.:facepalm::cool:
     
  15. SteelerGlenn

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    I just have a feeling that this is where they will hit us?
     
  16. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    I have to admit, I don't get the Mendenhall omission at all. He signed a 1 year/2.5 Million contract with the Cards, and although he wasn't stellar, he did start 15 games, run for 600+ yards and score 8 TDs (2nd on his team and tied for 29th in the league). Mundy signed a 1 year/715k contract with the Giants. He started 9 games and had his career bests in all statistical categories, but did not have as much of an impact on the Giants as Mendenhall had with the Cards.

    I know that this guy is accurate, but could he have simply forgotten about Mendy?
     
  17. TerribleTowelFlying

    TerribleTowelFlying Staff Member Site Admin Mod Team

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    Personally, I'd be pretty surprised if any draft penalty materializes. If there was one, my instinct says that it wouldn't be in the form of a compensatory pick penalty, mainly because it's never happened before I guess. That, and comp picks are viewed regular draft picks in that you either get them or you don't, and they cannot be traded.

    Having said that, who knows what the league will do. Just because there's no precedent certainly doesn't mean they won't. It would surprise me, though.
     
  18. TerribleTowelFlying

    TerribleTowelFlying Staff Member Site Admin Mod Team

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    No. We signed free agent Bruce Gradkowski for 3 years, at almost $5 Mil. He cancels Mendy out. Though, I disagree with him in that I don't believe Mundy will factor at all. He could though.
     
  19. Blast Furnace

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    They shouldn't be taking any pick since the reason for doing so was in case what happened affected the Ravens seeding, it didn't so therefore no pick should be surrendered.

    Of course this is Goodell so who knows.
     
  20. SteelerGlenn

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    Was that the official word from the NFL or just speculation from sports writers?
     
  21. TerribleTowelFlying

    TerribleTowelFlying Staff Member Site Admin Mod Team

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    I believe that was what was inferred from what the NFL said when they handed out Tomlin's fine. In a statement the league issued when they announced his fine, they said, "because the conduct affected a play on the field, a modification or forfeiture of draft choices will be considered after the final order of the 2014 draft has been determined."
     
  22. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    well heck that could mean goodell could take a pick from us and give it to his buddy craft. he never said the ravens would get it.:lolol:;):cool:
     
  23. numbah58

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    Why doesn't he just burn the footage of Tomlin stepping on the field? :lolol:
     
  24. HugeSnack

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    I've been complaining about this all year. I don't understand why so many people say Gradkowski cancels Mendenhall out.

    From the article:
    The annual value - not the total value - being what determines the pick seems to be supported by the couple of things I looked up: Cary Williams, Keenan Lewis, Martellus Bennett, and Ed Reed all signed contracts in the $5 million/year neighborhood, but the lengths of the contract were 3, 5, 4, and 3 years respectively. They all fetched 5th round picks.

    And the annual values are clearly given all priority over total contract length and total dollar amount: Cary Williams' 5th (3 years for $17M, $5.7M/year) is placed ahead of Lewis' 5th (5 years for $26.3M, $5.3M/year).

    Of course, playing time / quality of play / production to the team obviously did not factor in even a little bit, considering Lewis and Reed are valued the same. So there goes that argument for Mendenhall, who had twice the touchdowns and more than twice the yards of Shonn Greene, for whom the Jets are getting a 6th rounder. But even so, Mendenhall and Gradkowski's annual values do not cancel each other out. They're off by almost a million dollars, which is more than the total salary of some guys whose teams were awarded 7th round picks.

    Basically, it seems like total BS that those guys would cancel each other out based on logic, and even if you play by their illogical little rules, it still seems like BS. Seems like even after you factor in Gradkowski, Mendenhall should fetch a 7th.​
     
  25. TerribleTowelFlying

    TerribleTowelFlying Staff Member Site Admin Mod Team

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    Who are the 'so many people?' That's really more of a rhetorical question, but I thought it was just me. Not to sound incredibly egotistical, self absorbed, and vain- but I thought I was the only guy who was predicting that, and that we'd only get a 3rd and a 5th. The post-gazette guys (Dulac et al) were basically predicting that the Steelers were going to get the house (and it seemed that many people were thinking that, too). A 3rd, a 4th, a 5th or something along those lines IIRC. I imagine many predictions will change now that the article I referenced was published.

    I can say with a fair amount of certainly that you are focusing too much on per year amounts, and the annual values are not "clearly all priority over total value". I can't really help you with your examples, because they're just predictions. I'm not sure why he has certain picks for other teams. You'd have to ask him.

    I'm pretty under the weather, and I only had a couple hours of sleep last night, so I can't really break everything down, but I think I have at one time or another on here. I can say this though: this is my educated guess based on all the contracts I dug through, their lengths, guaranteed money, compared to those of the free agents the teams signed and comp picks they received over the last couple years. Maybe he and I are wrong. Maybe Mendy will net the Steelers a high comp pick. That would be sweet. I disagree with him though in that I don't believe the loss of Mundy will return a pick.
     

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