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Colin Cowherd Bashes Steelers’ Roster Approach, Says Focus Is Too Much On Defense

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by Steelersfan43, Jun 7, 2023.

  1. 86WardsWay

    86WardsWay Well-Known Member

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    It's much easier distinguishing a midget from a pedo. J/S.
     
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  2. Busman

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    How about a midget pedo?
     
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  3. Da Stellars

    Da Stellars Well-Known Member

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    Did Colin miss all the offensive linemen we signed?
     
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  4. 86WardsWay

    86WardsWay Well-Known Member

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    That's just wrong. LMAO.
     
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  5. Hanratty#5

    Hanratty#5 Well-Known Member

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    Jason and Joy both went to Woodland Hills HS in Allegheny County. Rob Gronkowski, Miles Sanders and several other NFL players went to HS there.
     
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  6. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    Yeah she is on the show Speak now. Well the woman You are talking about is....Joy Taylor her brother Jason Taylor played.
     
  7. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    Beat Me.
     
  8. SteelersFanCanada

    SteelersFanCanada Well-Known Member

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    It appears so.

    Only thing more frustrating then his lisp are his "predictions".
     
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  9. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    or WR's. or the draft of TE and OL. :cool:
     
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  10. Steelresolve

    Steelresolve Well-Known Member

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    Colin Cowherd is a jack ass and just looking for some offseason traction. He knows the Steelers are one of the more popular franchises with one of the more engaged fan bases so he likes to target us just as PFF does. With all of that being said what does he expect us to do in a division with Burrow, Jackson and Watson. We went out and got the best QB we could based on our situation and we drafted WR’s, RB’s and OL as well as signed FA’s for the Offesnes. Not sure what more we could do from a team building perspective. He could perhaps pick on the fact we retained Canada but it is prudent to retain the OC for consistency when you have a young QB. Outside of all of that you have to build up the defense in order to compete with the rest of your division.

    I win fact am excited about how we went about building the defense this year. We always focused on the pass rush which is important espciecally in todays NFL but we did that at the expense of not putting much in to the back end of the defense. However this year we went after solidifying the depth up front while also building up the back end of the defense. I think it will be exciting if it all pans out. I am hoping that will translate into more turnovers as that seems to be a focus in todays NFL. The rules favor the offense so much today that it is difficult forcing three and out so the best way a defense can impact the game is via turnover with a strip sack or interception. It seems to me that is what the Steelers are aiming for here.

    If Pickett develops into a Franchise QB and our run game thrives then Cowherd will be proven to be the jack ass he truly is. We would then be considered an offensive and defensive juggernaut.
     
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  11. jeh1856

    jeh1856 Snoozing

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    I kind of think we lost our identity
     
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  12. gibson43

    gibson43 Well-Known Member

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    I've heard cowherd talk about the D coaches and teams who prioritize D underachieving. I think there's some truth to it, just based on how the game has evolved, protecting QB/WR and more rules favoring the O. That said...if you look at superbowl winners and even just the participants the past few years they had balance. I just looked at the last few years...and you still need a top 15 D or higher (I think the Rams had the #20 D in 2018). And a top 10 offense...generally speaking. Some years you'd have a team like the Chiefs last year where the had the #1 scoring O and #15 D. That D almost bit them. So, yes...not surprising the sport favors the O now...but balance is still likely the name of the game.
     
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  13. Blast Furnace

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    Looked it up, it was Michelle Beadle, not sure if thats who you are talking about. Her and Colin worked well together, fun show.

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  14. Vox Ferrum

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    I remember her, but it was Joy I remembered. Bottom line his show is more listenable when he is with someone else, lol. That might be the narrative for most of these broadcasts, the second hour is just a rehash of the first, and sometimes I think the 3rd is just a rebroadcast of the first. He has his moments, and unfortunately radio is dying a slow death. Just 2 years ago I was able to get 3 sports nets on AM, a couple of FM. Now I am down to one, to cheap for Sirius XM, so I stick to Dan Patrick and Colin and grit my teeth lol
     
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  15. SGSteeler

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    It's not even a top end defense, but a defense that can create turnovers. A "perfect" team in today's NFL is a top 10 offense paired with a defense that is top 5-7 in sacks and turnovers. That team is probably one of the favorites to win the Super Bowl every year.

    I agree with the recent success of offensive minded coaches that it is probably the way of the future in the NFL. I've said it before (to boos and hisses) that the type of coach that Tomlin is... is out-dated. The game has seemingly passed by a pure "player's coach" like coach T and rewards the teams that invest in the Reid's, Arians', Taylor's, etc. of the NFL world. A defensive-minded coach can win if they have a great QB and offense, but its more likely that an offensive-minded coach that unlocks greatness out of their QB (or a great QB that unlocks greatness in an offensive minded coach) is the most likely to win it all.
     
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  16. S.T.D

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    Yet the 3 greatest offensive minds in the game....one...Shanahan has not won a SB yet, and gets every Qbs injured.....two...McVey...Had to change Qbs, and the team had to practically sell its soul(in draft picks, and FA) to squeeze out one SB win .....just so they can suck for along time.....three....Andy Reid....who was owned by Mike Tomlin(before Mahomes), and took over 20 years, and the best Qb in the league to win a SB. So....:shrug:
    Tell Me again how great that is.
     
  17. SGSteeler

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    Well the last "true" defensive minded coach to win the SB is Pete Carroll in 2014 (2013 season). That will be 10 years ago by the time this season's SB comes around.... not really a good thing either.

    Shanahan has been in the Conference Championship 3 out of the last 4 years. Reid the last 5. McVey went to the Super Bowl with Jared Goff and ended up losing to the Pats. Yes, they sold their soul to try to win it all but they won. Sirianni is looking to be in a good position for the next few years, so is Zac Taylor (AFCCG last two years). The only defensive minded coaches that have had sustained success since 2014 are Tomlin, Harbaugh, McDermott, Vrabel and Carroll. 0-3 in Conference Championship games in the past 8 years. Not good at all.

    Would you rather be a part of the group that is 0-3 in Conference Championship games in 8 years, or a part of the group that has 3 out of 4 teams in Conference Championship games every year? You tell me.
     
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  18. S.T.D

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    Neither. I rather win a SB, and not suck for the next 10 years to do it. You just said Carol was the last Defensive minded HC, and then turned around, and talked about McVey losing to the Pats.....LoL....Since when has Bill Belichick not been a Defensive-minded HC????.....,, or do we not count Belichicks SBs???
     
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  19. strummerfan

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    You’re forgetting about belichek and what he did to the rams
     
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  20. SGSteeler

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    I wouldn't call him either. His pre-head coaching career was defensive minded... but he was the master of game-planning on both sides of the ball. He was a "complete" head coach. He brought specialty to both sides of the ball and its why he is probably regarded as the best coach ever.

    Here's an article showing that Belichick has final say in "every area of the game", which includes offense. Its been this way with him for a while.

    https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...aborative-but-i-have-final-say-in-every-area/

    Idk its not a great argument even if he is classified as a defensive minded guy. With defensive minded coaches, you either hire the greatest coach that has ever lived.... or you're not making it to the Super Bowl (let alone winning it). It will be a shock if more than one defensive minded coach wins a Super Bowl in the next decade. It will be an anomaly instead of the norm. It just is what it is. It used to be the other way around, but the rule changes and the way that the NFL is positioning itself for the future it has flipped (and it will continue to be that way).

    I am all for prioritizing defense, but you have to see the way the league is turning.
     
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  21. Vox Ferrum

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    I could agree with you, 'out dated' is not necessarily correct. A HC needs to adapt, he can still be D minded, just needs to realize his limitations and surround himself with the correct O staff to get the job done. If the OC is good and gets the job done, then high chances he gets a HC job with someone else, this happened to Belichick many times, and they still won. Now one can argue the Brady factor, and that's another factor in getting the job done, you are only as good as the players on the field.

    I want MT to be successful because I want the Steelers to be so, the problem is I do not think Matt Canada had the resume, or the acumen to be THAT guy. Perhaps the new Asst. can bring a new dimension, that is our hope. On paper, and with development this O has the look to improve from the lousy 18 PPG, to just one more TD and be at 25 ppg. Last year that would have put them at number 8 (just below Cincy). We get there, and the D plays like it did, we are not only competitive, but in another tier. That tier includes all who advanced in the Play offs, and in the championship games. Not saying we are SB quality, but the difference between marginal 9-8 and quality team is one TD per game.
     
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  22. Blast Furnace

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    I think too much is made of offensive or defensive minded coaches unless they are taking the reins of the unit their specialty lies in.

    Otherwise who you have as your OC or DC is much more important.
     
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  23. SGSteeler

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    I can get behind that argument. A defensive minded guy that has a top tier QB and a great O-Coordinator could still be VERY dangerous. That is how Tomlin has been most successful. Having someone like Whisenhunt, Arians, Haley in charge of the offense. Heck, he was even hands-off in LeBeau's defense. Its been said a million times on here, but if we want to be successful with Tomlin at the helm, we HAVE to have high end coordinators. Tomlin hasn't proven that he can succeed to the highest extent otherwise.

    I get that its just one touchdown a game.... but that still is a huge leap. Now, its achievable simply by how big of a leap KFP makes. If Pickett takes a huge step, then its possible. With just a minor leap, a 7 PPG jump seems too much.

    With that being said, if we DO jump 7PPG on offense and have a top 10 scoring offense... then we are Super Bowl contenders. Our defense is tailor made for the current NFL. With a top-10 offense we have one of the best teams in the league IMO. At least one that has a chance to win it all.
     
  24. SGSteeler

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    I mean, how many coaches are completely hands-off on either side of the ball? They run the football operation like the CEO. Sure the CFO and COO are responsible for their part of the organization, but the strategy and direction that those roles are going are made in conjunction with the CEO. Very seldomly does a coordinator get "full reign" over their side of the operation. The HC sometimes takes on OC or DC responsibilities (see HC calling plays, etc.), but not too often where the OC or DC get to work in a silo.
     
  25. Vox Ferrum

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    I actually do not see it as that huge of a leap, except if you keep calling the lame plays in the red zone, lol. Execution on the field can only be had if the play calling and players on the field are correct. Getting into the end zone from 20 yards out (or less) is no easy feat, but lack of genuine red zone play calling and execution is what we have seen. I'll even give that the O (especially last year) was young and inexperienced. The O line was still a work in progress. IF the additions to this years line can mold and get it together, if route trees and plays are developed, and as you said IF KP takes the next step, one TD a game is not only doable, but expected. That is a lot of IF's, lol. Looking forward to see how it works out.
     

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