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Ben is returning to the Steelers

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by steelersrule6, Feb 23, 2021.

  1. Ray D

    Ray D Staff Member Mod Team

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    If Ben can get his knees healthy so we don't run 99.44% of our plays out of the shotgun (I'm convinced that was a large part of our running woes) and starts playing like this is his last chance, so leave nothing on the field instead of playing not to get hurt, he won't be the albatross some make him out to be.

    But even if he plays at a 2008 level, it'll mean squat if the line doesn't get fixed and our running game sucks.

    I hope he does well. But this feels like kicking the can down the road.

    But good news to our conspiracy minded folks: If we can get JJ also, the media has a plethora of "stories" to push for the Steelers in the dance. ;)
     
  2. Wardismvp

    Wardismvp Well-Known Member

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    I hope his salary allows for the Steelers to compete, that being said 10 million
    for next year would be too much to pay him. he has been well compensated by the Steelers
    thruout his career, it is time for him to help them out.
     
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  3. Steel Hog

    Steel Hog Well-Known Member

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    :facepalm:
     
  4. CK 13

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    Winning what?

    Blast they will be paying Ben way after he is gone unfortunately. I to would like to see a pay cut as well but I don't feel that will happen.
     
  5. SteelerGlenn

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    Same **** we hear every offseason about him the last 5 years.
     
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  6. CK 13

    CK 13 Well-Known Member

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    So the 2022 season this team will have no QB's!

    Rudolph will be gone. Ben will be gone. This is not a positive situation and now I feel with bring Ben back they may just trade up to get a QB.

    I would have rolled with Mason and see where the cards fall. Another 8-8, 9-7 season is not going to cut it.

    I appreciate what Ben has done for the franchise but it's over. Let the retirement tour start...
     
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  7. KMM

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    Even for an athlete that's completely healthy with no recent major injury history there's very little, if any at all, reason to believe they'll improve at age 39. What little chance there is essentially vanishes for a guy who isn't exactly known as a workout fiend.

    Let's be real here. He's still capable of moments of brilliance, but any expectation of sustained top level play over 17+ games is just not realistic. His play dropped off dramatically as the season went on which is precisely what one would expect for any 38 year old. To think he can reverse that as a 39 year old is a pipe dream, imo.
     
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  8. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    sounds like what i had said in another thread about his salary. 3 years and most of this years turned into signing bonus. just under 6 mil. for 2022 and 2023. we save just under 12 mil towards the cap this year and spread it out the remainder over the next two. now, we are currently just over 19 mil over the cap so with his 12 mil say, we are still 7 + mil still over, after mcdonald, pouncey, the roll over and i believe heywards restructure. they are talking doing tuitt as well which would be about 4 mil more, leaving us around 3 mil over still.

    vince? thats 4 mil. that would put us in compliance. we still need some additional cuts. samuels? would be near 1 mil.. still not enough. gilbert maybe? another 1mil. i don't see too many of these just sign sutton back dollars available. not too many more ways we can go since most guys are in their final seasons. DD, okrafor, mason, haden, nelson, ebron. the bad part of this is we are pushing ben like numbers into the future with heyward and tuitt. it will be interesting going forward. :cool:
     
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  9. SteelerNole

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    You’re right. We probably should’ve cut him after his 5000/34/16 season in 2018.
     
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  10. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    actually ben will still be under contract for 22-23. i expect we may pick up an UDFA out of this group this year to stash on the PS. next year it may be easier to sign mason back at a backup number instead of starter. similar to what we did with landry. he then may become the starter while we look to draft next year. just my thoughts on it. i don't think we draft one now this year. :cool:
     
  11. SteelersFanIrl

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    I think Rudolph will re-sign for a year on a cheap prove it deal if he knows he will get an opportunity to play. There should also be plenty of free agent QB’s like Dalton, Taylor, Brissett knocking around the league and they can tender Haskins as well if he makes the team this year and shows something.

    Presumably they will draft somebody this year or next. I don’t watch college ball but but all accounts the 2022 class does not look especially good at this stage, that can change of course.
     
  12. 86WardsWay

    86WardsWay Well-Known Member

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    Would you be willing to voluntarily take a pay cut at your job? Ben might but I'm sure he's looking at getting as much as he can out of the contract that the Steelers initially agreed to. I know I would and I'm sure his agent is looking out for his best financial interest also.
     
  13. santeesteel

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    Hey! You can't steal the Chargers tag line like that!
     
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  14. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    i kind of agree now with the not drafting one this year. i think we may pickup an UDFA that is left out of this group. maybe even book from notre dame if he drops that far. mason gets re-signed to more of a landry jones type signing after this season. we would have a guy that is at least in the pipeline as an UDFA on the PS for a year. possibly more. there are some pretty decent QBs that may not get drafted this year. they are not our next franchise guy but may be our next mason rudolph. :cool:
     
  15. SteelersFanIrl

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    I wouldn’t be picking one high anyway, unless they luck in to somebody they like. Ben is almost certainly coming back and it’s a blank canvas then after 2021. They could spend years cycling through different guys at QB or they might get lucky somehow. We will have to wait and see.
     
  16. Jball

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    Exactly.
     
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  17. DukeDukeDaDaDa

    DukeDukeDaDaDa Well-Known Member

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    The alternative is to admit you're not a contender now and start planning for the future now instead of kicking the can down the road yet again. This whole franchise is allergic to change I swear.
     
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  18. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    just getting through this season is also creating problems down the road too, even if the cap rises we will still be paying for kicking the can on ben and tuitt and heyward. this draft and UDFA/PS guys that can play will be really important. we need some gems to come out of this. at least at spots that are not premium positions. :cool:
     
  19. Steel Hog

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    And how did we end up that year? Same as this year (interception riddled playoff game) and likely next year and that's if we're extremely lucky with or without Ben.
     
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  20. DukeDukeDaDaDa

    DukeDukeDaDaDa Well-Known Member

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    Just like Tomlin, regular season champion, the stats are all that matters to some people.
     
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  21. SteelersFanIrl

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    Their cap situation after 2021 improves a lot, they can probably afford to kick some money out to be fair. 2021 is a bit of a nadir with a lot of prorated money maturing at the same time.

    Id agree the next two drafts are absolutely critical. Mainstays like Pouncey, Villanueva, Haden, Decastro and obviously Ben will all be moving on very soon. The Steelers are old and expensive at several key positions, they need to draft young players to underpin the team going forward.
     
  22. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    i'm not so sure 2021 improves a lot. heyward now is 22 plus million. tuitt will be near that as well. ben 5 plus. we only have like 24 players signed beyond this year. those 3 will account for near 50 million towards the cap then. thats a big chunk of change for having to sign 29 players and make TJ an offer. :cool:
     
  23. DukeDukeDaDaDa

    DukeDukeDaDaDa Well-Known Member

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    In other news, Tampa may be considering an extension to sh*thead. What is it going to take to make this ahole go away?
     
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  24. Brice

    Brice Well-Known Member

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    As long as it does not cost us anything in 2022, 2023, or 2024!!!
     
  25. DukeDukeDaDaDa

    DukeDukeDaDaDa Well-Known Member

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    Oh it will
     
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