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BA who? Hopefully this will soon be moved to "other football talk"

 

One guy had so much influence over the Steelers and the Colts that both drafts changed? I don't buy it. I've never heard of an OC wielding so much power over a draft. There are many factors that dictate players that are drafted.

The Steelers drafted 2 Olinemen (6 total) in 2009, 2010, and 2011 drafts. The Steelers drafted 3 Olinemen twice with Cowher as HC. 1992 when the draft was 12 rounds and in 2004. The weak line for the Steelers was mostly due the loss of probowl caliber players from 2006 (Hartings), 2007 Faneca, 2008 Smith, and injuries in recent years. I believe that the Oline began to decline at the end of the Cowher era.

I believe the Colts wanted to provide weapons for Luck in an attempt to build chemistry until they could build a solid Oline. It's possible that they feel that Luck has the skill set to offset weaknesses on the Oline. It's not the first time a team decided to put weapons around a young QB first and address other areas later. Only time will tell if the Colts made the right decision.

I'm surprised no one mentioned the reason the Steelers didn't draft a FB was because BA still weilds influence over the Steelers.

 

For the love of God people...the TITLE of the thread is BA.....If you are not interested in talking about him....don't click on the thread! There are all kinds of other threads on the page....click on the ones you want...ignore the ones you don't....Its not that hard.....


HACK

 

Yes...by all means..lets turn this into the original MB....with guys being policed to the point of banning them because people feel the need to click on every thread....even the ones they dont like.

HACK

 

Do you ride a scooter and work security @ the mall? Chill.

sheeesh

 

this thread has almost 400 views....evidently someone was interested in reading it....and IMO this is about the Steelers....BA was the OC up until this season....People talk about Terry Bradshaw...he is not here anymore...There was a Limas Sweed debate for months...he is not here anymore.....People talk about Santonio and Plax weekly....should those not be moved?

I didnt start the thread....but I choose to take part in it my clicking and responding....again...over 400 views....am I to believe they are all to complain that it was in the wrong forum?

HACK

 

I think BA is totally relevant.....As I stated in the other thread the way he called and designed plays and his lack of Love for the run game and his lack of knowledge for it....We will now have some game tape to show the BA people the difference between a true Offensive attack and a call by the #'s attack....We will also be able to compare how we do in the Redzone this year compared to the BA years....We will be a lot better at situational football this year and moving forward,I still contend that the only situational Football that BA really cared about is the Deep Ball and his biggest problem was he doesn't even know when and how to maximize that.....

 

Exactly. So it's another thread about BA. The title clearly tells the reader what the subject is about. If you see another Wallace or BA thread and it pisses you off simply scroll by it and move on. No big deal folks. It's not like you were tricked into reading this thread, lol

 

Ok which one of you tools called 93.7 the Fan at 8:45 this morning with this very question?

The caller asked how much input the OC would have in the draft and when he got the answer he didn't want to hear...that it's a collaborative effort, but mostly the GM and HC...he proceeded to say that he firgured that they would give him whatever he wanted so that he would have the best chance at being successful.

C'mon which one of you BA haters was it? Fess up

 

Against my better judgment, I'll jump into they fray here. I'm not saying that an OC or DC has THE say on who gets drafted and who doesn't and I don't believe that anyone here is claiming that, as it would be a pretty ignorant thing to say. HOWEVER, to refuse to accept the fact that the coordinators DO have input and say into the types of players they need to be successful in THEIR schemes that they own and are responsible for, would be just as ignorant. DeCastro was a no-brainer and would have been picked whether Haley, or BA, or Larry, Mo, or Curly was the OC. I think the outcome of the draft and the types of players selected by both the Steelers and the Colts is very telling about the inluence that the OC does have over who the teams pick. It is valid discussion for this board and hopefully serves as a reminder how inept and ineffective he was here and a reason to continue to celebrate that he is gone and we have arguably the best draft that some Steelers fans have ever seen. Would it have been the same with BA still here? Who knows. Maybe, maybe not. But one thing is for sure, our FO is doing their part to help us be successful well into the future. And, well, The Colts will continue to suck for the foreseeable future.

Oh, and Fire Bruce Arians Immediately. Can someone get a memo over to the Colts MB please?

 

Jump on in the water is fine....On the 4 real though you are correct the OC does have a large part in the draft.....If people go to the Steelers main site and listen to the Montgomery presser about the 7th. round WR,he says if there had been another guy he liked better he would have stood up on the table....

So with that I would say that the OC and the DC has a lot of input as I would Imagine that when they get up on the table the guys who work under them either keep quiet for the most part if they don't like the guy or they throw support in most situations....

I guess the Question is what kind of Guy would BA get up on the table for?Well to me it is simple ,he Loves TE'S even though he has no ideal how to use them..Go figure...And he Loves fast WR'S ...It appears he got on the table for the Colts and the HC and the GM either agreed or decided to go with what he wanted....

BA really cares nothing for RB'S or OL in his scheme he is a throw the ball all over the place guy and I am sure that's the only time he crawls up on the table when he sees guys that fits what he wants....

 

as the OP, i gotta say it is in the correct forum. it's about our draft with BA and without BA and how ours addressed things that needed addressing here. the o-line. it was more an after thought when BA was here for the most part. 3-4-5-6 th rounders. that is about the steelers, these same linemen are still hanging around or out of football for the most part. we got pouncey,but were out of choices there. last year we got gilbert in the 2nd. maybe they already knew BA's days were numbered and the owner said enough is enough.

then BA is gone, the colts have revamped their whole team and front office, knowing they will be gearing toward the top qb in the draft to hand to BA to mold, wouldn't you want to put something on the field for him to work with? they'd be fools to not do this. yes BA's name is all over their draft. i'm glad he's gone from here and how it sure seems to have changed ours without him. just like the colts should cater to what he wants, i do believe the STEELERS, did some of the same for haley. so yes it is about the steelers not just BA. i never once said BA conducted and drafted all of the picks as the GM of the colts. some of you guys that are barking about it being a BA thread are reading that part into it. have a good afternoon :hello:

 

Wait, wait, wait.

You're claiming that the Steelers never paid attention to the O line while Arians was the OC, but when confronted with the fact that they used a high draft pick during each of the last 2 drafts in which he was OC, you claim that it was because they were "out of choices" and knew that his "days were numbered?"

Really?

Hmmm. Seems to me that BA could do no right in your book. He's taking the blame for all that you feel is bad, and all that was good was somehow done in spite of him.

Doesn't sound too fair or objective to me.

And that sounds especially biased when you compare it to the fact that DeCastro was only taken because of a set of bizzarre picks that were out of the Steelers control. They were all set to take Hightower until DeCastro ended up being available. Its not like they traded up to get him either.

 

It should be noted that BA's coached rush offenses generally out performed Haley coached rush offenses. Did that mean Haley didn't have love for the rush game?

I predict that the offense will remain largely the same as long as Ben remains an inconsistent QB. The offense will continue to struggle in the red zone unless Ben improves. Ben may struggle if he's not totally on board with Haley's coaching philosophy. I suggest people wait to see how the offense pans out before anointing Haley a coaching god.

 

they sure never took two let alone 3 in the same draft to fix a problem. you are also leaving out the " maybe" before they knew his days were numbered. and yes when we finally got pouncey we were out of options at center. we had been through a couple of weak fill ins for the spot. not to mention the only reason gilbert even played last year was injury. remember scott was our starting LT and we had to bring max starks back because it was so bad. since haleys been here in one draft we are talking about our line being one of the best in the league soon. big difference.

 

they sure never took two let alone 3 in the same draft to fix a problem. you are also leaving out the " maybe" before they knew his days were numbered. and yes when we finally got pouncey we were out of options at center. we had been through a couple of weak fill ins for the spot. not to mention the only reason gilbert even played last year was injury. remember scott was our starting LT and we had to bring max starks back because it was so bad. since haleys been here in one draft we are talking about our line being one of the best in the league soon. big difference. [/quote:2ukg8en2]

This is an example of how a person can twist a statement to fit an argument. The facts show the Steelers drafted 2 Olinemen (6 total) in 2009, 2010, and 2011 drafts. The Steelers drafted 3 Olinemen twice with Cowher as HC.

Overall, this is a weak argument when neither coordinator had the final say on draft picks. All the assistant coaches can do is make suggestions. The GM and HC make the final decisions on the players that get drafted. BA is gone and people still attempt to find ways to trash the guy, unbelievable.

 

This is an example of how a person can twist a statement to fit an argument. The facts show the Steelers drafted 2 Olinemen (6 total) in

The Steelers drafted 3 Olinemen twice with Cowher as HC.

Overall, this is a weak argument when neither coordinator had the final say on draft picks. All the assistant coaches can do is make suggestions. The GM and HC make the final decisions on the players that get drafted. BA is gone and people still attempt to find ways to trash the guy, unbelievable.[/quote:2v6r2xap]


yet we got two starters out of that. one if it hadn't been for injury. one (pouncey) stole the position he now plays at off of the 2nd weakazz FA we tried to plug in on the line because they were trying to play pouncey at guard. the UDFA's foster and legursky made the team. of those drafted one is on the PS, one lasted one year (urbik) and the other never made it out of camp(williams) and one before that, hills a 4th rounder lasted until we cut him loose for an udfa. yea, those were high quality picks we made while he was here. don't forget about stephonson. we drafted him too while BA was here. the udfa won again( stapleton). yea i gotta admit your right our O-line had it going on while BA was the head of the offense. i am quite certain he had nothing to do with anyone drafted either. same as MT, he's just a coach, he just has to coach whatever they give him. man colbert and rooney stinks at this draft stuff. :roll:

 

This is an example of how a person can twist a statement to fit an argument. The facts show the Steelers drafted 2 Olinemen (6 total) in

The Steelers drafted 3 Olinemen twice with Cowher as HC.

Overall, this is a weak argument when neither coordinator had the final say on draft picks. All the assistant coaches can do is make suggestions. The GM and HC make the final decisions on the players that get drafted. BA is gone and people still attempt to find ways to trash the guy, unbelievable.[/quote:2earrvzn]


yet we got two starters out of that. one if it hadn't been for injury. one (pouncey) stole the position he now plays at off of the 2nd weakazz FA we tried to plug in on the line because they were trying to play pouncey at guard. the UDFA's foster and legursky made the team. of those drafted one is on the PS, one lasted one year (urbik) and the other never made it out of camp(williams) and one before that, hills a 4th rounder lasted until we cut him loose for an udfa. yea, those were high quality picks we made while he was here. don't forget about stephonson. we drafted him too while BA was here. the udfa won again( stapleton). yea i gotta admit your right our O-line had it going on while BA was the head of the offense. i am quite certain he had nothing to do with anyone drafted either. same as MT, he's just a coach, he just has to coach whatever they give him. man colbert and rooney stinks at this draft stuff. :roll: [/quote:2earrvzn]

The HC and GM make the final decision on the players that get drafted. But hey, if it makes you happy to be completely unreasonable and place all the blame for the Oline on BA have a blast.