77 turning the corner

I will gladly eat crow. I hope he continues to grow.

 

Jones was given every opportunity to beat Moore for the starting left tackle spot. He didn’t.he got work at rt because of chucks and his bs. It’s not some master plan by the front office to fail. This natural position y’all clamor about is asinine. Now some dim bulb will come along talking about Dotson while ignoring the difference in scheme between the rams and steelers

 

I catch it each time it comes around

 

Barbecue crow sliders

 

I don't really buy this. We drafted him to be the LT and we played him at RT to defer to a veteran. Dan Moore was the NFL's worst LT last season. He led all tackles in sacks allowed. It's not like we had a solid player that Jones couldn't beat out. If they both are sucking (which they did), then play the kid that has the ceiling to improve.... We played a kid off his natural role because Moore couldn't do it. Jones manned up and did what he could and now is starting to turn a corner in the position he should have been in all along. We mismanaged the situation as a coaching staff, simple as that. Just like we mismanaged the QB situation. It was an ugly year for positional decision making in 2024.

TBH I wonder how much of Moore's desire to stay at LT had to do with getting paid as a LT.... It worked out because he got 22 million a year (which is asinine, because he is a pretty bad player), so more power to him.

 

The simple fact is jones was considered a project when he came out. They knew he wasn’t ready to start. You shouldn’t have to make up some scenario where the Steelers are trying to screw over players. The simple fact is Moore beat him out. Period. Yes. I’m fully aware of the sacks attributed to Moore. What those numbers leave out is how many of those sacks were a direct result of the quarterbacks. Bigk does his patented sound spindarella move straight into a defenders arms and an offensive lineman gets blamed for it. It’s bull****. We saw the same crap with Wilson last year. He seemed to believe he could still run at got himself sacked repeatedly. Don’t try to rewrite history

 

Yes, but Jones was also considered a guy we believed would improve with reps because he only played in 19 college games or something like that. I was fine with us sitting him his rookie year. That isn't what I was arguing... I am saying year 2 was supposed to be his year to get in and work his way up to form by getting live game action. Even while struggling in camp (he played primarily RT in camp, though was worked in LT sparingly) he should've gotten the nod. We know what Dan Moore isn't (and that is a starting quality NFL LT)... if we didn't think Moore was trash, then we wouldn't have spent back to back first round picks on tackles. Simple as that.

We had two bad options at LT for 2024. A struggling 2nd year player that we invested our top pick on in 2023 and a 4th year player that has struggled mightily in his time on the field that we have zero intention of signing long term... and we chose to start the wrong one.

This isn't re-writing anything. Dan Moore sucks, and that is a fact. Broderick should have been playing LT primarily in 2023 throughout camp and we should have prioritized his development over choosing to play a crappy vet who beat him out by a narrow margin because Jones was playing poorly (while injured) on his off side.

 

Yeah that’s bullcrap. You put the best players on the field. You don’t throw a raw prospect out there and say sink or swim

 

That isn't what I said at all. I said that neither were great options, and we should have played the younger player in this instance. We might've been comfortable with Dan Moore since he had started a while, but what was uncomfortable was his level of play. If they are close (and they would have been if Jones had played LT all throughout camp), then play the guy that has a future on the team.

Broderick Jones has one camp and one preseason game at full time LT and already looks like a much improved player. He had a nice game against the Ravens his rookie year on the left side filling in for injury.... He might just be a Left freaking Tackle.

 

You don’t know if he would have turned out better. For all you know trotting him out there could have gotten a qb killed. I get it you hate Moore blah blah blah, but the simple fact is he beat out jones for two consecutive years at lt. Now they’re hoping he can be an improvement over Moore. Only time will tell if they’re right.The simple fact the titans snatched up Moore to the tune of 20,000,000 a year should speak volumes to you and your use of statistics

 

Of course not... there's still this whole year to see if the move to LT actually helps Jones too. But the early returns are frustrating because it points to us being wrong last season and Jones is just a much better player in his natural position. Also, I don't hate Moore... there just isn't a objective analysis of his caliber of play that doesn't land on him being a crappy player. That's just the reality. He just signed that big boy contract and he isn't on anyone's list for top 32 tackles going into 2025 (not on PFF's either). I don't make decisions for the Titans... I wish them the best with that one. I get that teams that can't draft/develop tackles often pay a massive premium in the FA market, but damn. That was, a jarring contract, to say the least. We could pay James Pierre 20 million a year to be our #1 corner, but that wouldn't make him a good cover corner.

 

You’re basing this off of 15 snaps in the first preseason game. Wtf? Come on man

15 snaps

15 motherloving snaps


Holy ****

 

That's just..........wrong!

 

Camp too.... All accounts since pads have come on has been hes been vastly better. Time will tell.

 

i'm going to jump in here, moore has started for what now will be 5 years in the nfl at a premium position. like it or not that is impressive for a 4th round pick. he has gotten better since his rookie year. jones downfalls are not position dependent. his hand usage and feet are fundamental flaws that haven't improved. not working to get stronger and quicker has been a problem as well until this past offseason when he started losing some weight. he looked and played soft. i saw the pictures of him without a shirt last year. he looked like the Pilsbury dough boy. moore got stronger leaner and worked on his game. those are the guys that will succeed. that's why he got paid. right or wrong. he can run block.

 

Jags weren't exactly the cream of the crop, I'll reserve judgment for later the season

 

No they aren’t that he’s vastly better. Only that he’s improved. Additionally the early reports coming from camp were not good.dont rewrite history

 

I'll believe it when I see it. Rubber meets road, etc.

 

Not making an argument it doesn’t. However, it isn’t the ****ing end all be all some around here make it out to be. There are hundreds of examples of players that aren’t playing their supposed natural position. It doesn’t just happen with the Steelers or at the professional level. It happens with every nfl team. It happens in college. It happens in high school… it’s just yet another in a long line of stupid things some fans have latched onto. Some of them used to post repeatedly that Tomlin doesn’t know X’s and O’s. Eventually they figured out that didn’t hold water and moved onto something else to ***** about. Next season it will be something else. Hell we should probably start a pool.


Additionally, scheme matters. If you try to convert a guard that is great in a gap/power scheme to a zone blocking scheme he might struggle a bit. He might not ever be able to make the switch. I put far more credence into scheme than this natural position crap that’s been bandied about around here for the last year

 

Yeah? The reports from the part with no pads? I don't know what you're seeing, but everything that I have seen has been that aside from the first like 3 days of camp, he's done a really nice job. Again.... all that matters is how he performs in the games anyways, but early indications are promising that he will put drastically better film on the field this year than he did last year. We won't know until we get some games under the belt anyways.

Also, stop saying stupid s**t like "re-writing history". Nobody is doing that. I get that its a cute little phrase you're using to try to make a point, but its not happening. Nothing I have said has been contextual. Its all factual reports. If Broderick comes out and plays well this year, it will only prove what I've been saying all along. We won't know until the games matter though.

 

This

 

Week 1 is then you will get your shot then.


Unless there is another EDGE Match-up you had in mind for Broderick?!