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Would any of this years top quarterbacks

Discussion in 'The Bill Nunn Draft Room' started by strummerfan, Feb 17, 2022.

  1. strummerfan

    strummerfan Well-Known Member

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    Be first round draft picks in a different year?
    I’m not sure any of them would sniff the first round if this were 2021.
     
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  2. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    I think the answer is yes. However, in a typical year none of these QBs would be in the conversation for the Top 10. A few of these guys would be considered as mid to late first round prospects in a typical draft where there are one or two better prospects. 2021 was unusual for the number of highly regarded prospects.
     
  3. SGSteeler

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    I would say yes as well. It depends on team's stylistic fits and whether or not the "fall in love" with the player and their potential. Team's willingness to take runners since Allen/Jackson makes it more likely that this class would be taken higher as well. Lamar Jackson went pick 32 and Willis is potentially taken in the top 10 or 15, despite being a fraction of the prospect Jackson was coming out of college. However, if a player of Jackson's caliber were to come out of school today, they would be a lock for a top 5/10 pick... possibly even first overall. Where they would go is all up to chance though. I see Howell as a similar prospect to Baker Mayfield and Baker went first overall. Is Pickett any better or worse of a prospect than Josh Rosen was at 10th overall? EJ Manuel was taken in the middle of the first, and I think many of the QB's in this draft are better prospects than Manuel was. Does that mean that any or all of this year's QB's will be successful? No. But sometimes QB classes that are seen as "great" turn out to be awful, and sometimes classes that are way less hyped turn out to be pretty solid. Only time will tell.
     
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  4. Jball

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    If this were 2021, I think it's possible that one or two of those guys could've been considered late in rd 1. Maybe a team like the Saints at #28. Or the Broncos or Falcons trading back into the end of the round.

    I don't believe any of them would've gone before Lawrence, Wilson, Lance, Fields, or Jones though.
     
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  5. strummerfan

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    Jackson is a perfect example of why you don’t draft a run first qb. He’s just now recovered from an injury in week 14(15?)
     
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  6. SGSteeler

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    Ben spent quite a deal of time injured too (only 5 seasons of all 16 games played in his career). I will admit that he did rest the last week of the season before playoffs a couple times and one suspension, but at least half of his NFL seasons accrued had some sort of time missed due to injury. Jackson missed 2 games in his first 3 seasons and went 30-7 in the W/L column and threw 68 tds to 18 ints and added 17 rushing tds.... I'd take Jackson on this team in an absolute heartbeat. I also wouldn't let Jackson's "lack of success" or "injury history" deter me from taking a player like him in the future. Getting a player of his caliber would set this franchise up to continue to do great things.
     
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  7. BowToTroy43

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    I would take Pickett over Zach Wilson or Mac Jones and Wilson went #2 overall.
     
  8. JackAttack 5958

    JackAttack 5958 Well-Known Member

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    I’m not excited about any of these guys as first rounders and will go ballistic if the Steelers sacrifice draft capital to actually trade up to get one which is what a lot of so-called “experts” are predicting. Draft an O-lineman, ILB or CB with the first pick and then maybe take one of these guys if they fall to you in the second.
     
  9. strummerfan

    strummerfan Well-Known Member

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    Pretty much my thoughts exactly. I would think about one of them in the second, but if a stud at ol or ilb is there…
     
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  10. Wardismvp

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    I think Pickett has a good head on his shoulders, and would WORK
    to improve his talent level. I don't think he will get past Carolina. That being said
    Corral or wait till second pick to get Ridder, even though I don't like his game.Or as some
    people have suggested get a bridge QB until you get the QB you like. We have many holes to fill
    OL, CB, ILB.
     
  11. strummerfan

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    A large percentage of Ben’s injuries over the years are solely because of him holding onto the ball. Waiting for receivers to get college open. We need a qb, but taking a lesser qb in the first round this year doesn’t bode well for the future. We would be far better off in the long run building the line etc. I’ve got no problems being terrible for a year or two if it leads to finding the next franchise qb. Maybe we will get lucky and the light will come on for Haskins or Rudolph.
     
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  12. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    No more love for Sam Howell? The more film that I watch of him, the more I think that he IS the guy that we thought he was heading into last season. He really wasn’t bad in 2021. I haven’t charted plays to track how often he was pressured, but it seemed to me like he faced free pass rushers far more often than anyone I’ve watched. The way that UNC schemed their RPOs seemed to leave Howell in a situation where he had no choice but to take off of his first read wasn’t open. I can also recall a game last season where he was trying to lead a 4th quarter comeback drive, and his receivers dropped 3 straight catchable passes to end a drive. There were quite a few key drops. When I look back at 2019 and 2020 when he had better protection and better receivers, he would visibly go through his progressions and find the guy to throw to. You could actually see his head swiveling across the entire field. Not a lot of college QBs can handle going through quick progressions on both sides of the field. Some can’t even handle one side. I’m a long way from being done with my QB evals, but I’m definitely closing in on Howell as my QB1 in this draft.
     
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  13. mac daddyo

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    i do like howell but i have little faith in who's picking us one. remember this is the same guys that had mason ranked as a QB 1. i still think many are too hard on rudolph as well. i am putting a lot of faith in sullivan to have made some strides in his teaching of our current backups. this is year two with a legit qb coach now. i'd hope it has made some difference. if not can we really expect him to have success with a new draft pick? :cool:
     
  14. strummerfan

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    Yes. We can. QB is one of the hardest positions to draft. Far more fizzle out then explode onto the scene. There was a lot to like about Mason’s college game. Thus far it hasn’t translated to the the NFL, but that’s not exactly some earth shattering occurrence. It certainly doesn’t mean Colbert and the scouts don’t know what they’re doing.
     
  15. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    we have had a lot of additions in his tenure besides mason that haven't worked out. he had little to nothing to do with ben coming here either. :cool:
     
  16. Steel_Elvis

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    There’s a lot of holes in Mason’s college tape as well. If you don’t believe me, go back and watch some games and how few throws there were over the middle or to the sideline. I’m not talking about long lofted bombs to the post or hitting a back in the flat. I’m talking about NFL bread and butter digs, WR outs and the like. Also look for passes to crossers moving across the field. You won’t see them either. He threw nice deep balls, and good screens and fades. However he was only throwing a fraction of an NFL Route tree.
     
  17. Rollers

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    I have seen mocks that have the Steelers trading up for Howell and WIllis. I'm hoping they stand pat and take a really good Offensive lineman. Course all this depends on how free agency goes
     
  18. strummerfan

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    How many players coming out of college are finished growing as players, Complete package,nothing to learn, nothing to improve upon?
     
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  19. strummerfan

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    In a perfect world every player drafted would fulfill the general managers expectations
     
  20. SGSteeler

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    I too love Howell's game. I think he is the perfect NFL style QB moving forward. He has great arm talent, can move well in the pocket, can run just enough to hurt you but will be best suited in the pocket most plays. His game likely turns out stylistically to Russell Wilson. Its always hard to tell with QB's since so much of the position is mental, but I like his tools the best of all of the QB's. Would love to have him.

    1. Howell
    2. Pickett
    3. Corral
    4. Ridder
    5. Strong
     
  21. Wardismvp

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    I think we may have to move up to get Howell at end of 1rst, where I don't think we will have to move
    to get Ridder with our second. How far and what deal the Steelers would have to make to get Howell is imperative.
    That being said Sam Howell would be my second choice.
     
  22. Steel_Elvis

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    End of the first? I think it’s less than 50/50 that he even makes it to pick #20. We’d probably need to trade up quite a bit in the 1st to grab him if we want him. I’m not sure I’d want to do that, especially if it takes a 2023 1st rounder to get there.
     
  23. S.T.D

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    I believe a bunch wouldn't be drafted in the 1st round, but I think this almost every year. I never see more then 2, or 3 that should go in the 1st, but there are always more, and that's why there are so many bust.
    If you take a player that should be a late 2nd rounder , or a 3rd rounder in the 1st.... way more pressure in many ways.
     
  24. S.T.D

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    And has got what 2 show for it ??? The only way a Qb the style of Lamar wins anything of note is when 97% of the league is that style. Of course if You make 97% of the Qbs women they will win SBs eventually also.
    I still don't understand why people can't see they took advantage of most teams playing Man concepts mostly (because of the Bradys of the world),and running schemes most coaches hasn't seen since college. There is a reason Lamar has sucked against us, and His only win was against a Mason/Duck combination in overtime.
    When all the Qbs start being like a Lamar... more defenses will change their schemes.
     
  25. SGSteeler

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    So far, an NFL MVP. He's still a young player on his rookie contract... Plenty of time for him to have success in the playoffs that rivals that of his success in the regular season. Sure, teams will start to figure him out and he will plateau if he doesn't adapt... But he is still one of the most dangerous QB's to play against and his record and stats prove that. I also think teams like Cleveland and Tennessee "cheese" the system in a way too. Being a primarily power running team with huge athletic backs finds a way to exploit the lighter NFL defenses. It sets them in advantageous matchups to be able to steamroll teams that are built with pass rushers on the edge and smaller, speedier ILB's that are better suited to running with a TE or RB in coverage than taking on a stout run blocking OL and power backs. Its no different than teams like Buffalo and Baltimore featuring their QB in the running game to give them an advantage imo. Just different ways to approach offense. Ours was horrendous last season. We could use anyone that can be as dangerous as Lamar on that side of the ball lmao
     

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