Some guy from PFF doesn't think Ben should be in the hall of fame

Brady will be back.

 

How’s come, n at?

 

Whaaaaaaaaaa


You think so?!?!

 

2021
102.1 Passer rating.
5,316 yards *personal best*
43 TD's *2nd personal best*

Some team's going to break the bank for this guy where he will just say it was a nice year off.

 

Please don't do this. Please don't make me speak up for Deion Sanders. He was such a punk, but the notion that he wasn't a slam-dunk Hall of Famer is simply ludicrous.

 

Eli and Rivers both will be up before Ben.... if either of them go first ballot then Ben has to be first ballot.... if they wait on them (which they should IMO) then we will have to see what they do with Ben

Look at the AFC QBs in SB in Ben's 18 years

Brady 7x
Peyton 4x
Ben 3x
Mahomes 2x
Burrows 1x
Flacco 1x

I just don't see any way Ben is not 1st ballot

HACK

 

Show me a corner they call great just because he can tackle. His primary job is not to tackle. Deion was paid to cover and stop wrs. Deion is widely regarded as the best ever at corner. He was first ballot for a reason. It's you who doesn't know.

 

I don't think rivers is a hall of famer. He's a hall of very good candidate imo. Eli should be first ballot on those 2 sb performances alone.

 

NFL Hall of Fame has turned into the very good Fame the last 5 years.

Half the people that got in the last year had no business being in.

 

I don't have an issue with Eli getting in, but no way is he first ballot. If Plunkett is not good enough to get in ever with his 2SB then Eli and his 509 winning record should not be a soak dunk.

Rivers has better #s than Eli in everything but SBs.

honestly Ben was the last to retire but should still be the first in of those 3

HACK

 

Yes the regular season means something to get to the post season. Its what you do there to me puts and exclamation point. Manning is an example. Beat the cheats twice and captured both MVP's.

The 3 you mentioned were great QB's and had the stats to make the Hall.

Rodgers I agree with you. But he will get the nod and be in there.

Ben should be a 1st ballot. We shall see.

 

True. He's a steady 9th or 10th in the big categories. Still, in a position that's fairly saturated (esp given the recent orientation to the passing game - only Marino is in the top ten from older eras) I wouldn't say you put Eli in.

Nothing against the guy, and I was actually surprised by his numbers when you raised them. But for me he was a very good player with longevity, rather than a once-in-a-generation talent that required special game-planning to stop.

That said, I think he will get in.

 

Rivers consistently underperformed in the big moments. He numerous times had maybe the most talented team and couldn't get it done. He played with TWO other first ballot hall of famers on offense and couldn't get it done. Eli played with how many hall of famers? Only one is a past his prime Strahan..

 

I'm not even sure I can take someone that posts on twitter seriously. My serious bar (i.e. shirley bar - just don't call me that) is much higher. But then again I'm old enough to know of a world before social media where we had to talk to each other face to face. This is also why that I don't take many posters on this board seriously either.

 

I do get your point. With Rivers losing to a Mark Sanchez... but let's not forget Ben lost to aTim Tebow

Rivers made the playoffs 6 times I think... he lost to Brady 3x Peyton 1x Ben 1x and Sanchez..... no shame in losing to those first 3 guys. They were the best in the AFC for 20 years

HACK

 

Brady lost to Sanchez and Plummer. But yeah... that's not nowhere near as bad as losing to Tebow.

 

Rivers did not lose to Mark Sanchez. The Chargers lost to the Jets. Roethlisberger did not lose to Tebow. The Steelers lost to the Broncos.

Rating quarterbacks entirely or even heavily based on team wins and losses is lazy and inaccurate.

 

In time, you too shall learn grasshopper

 

I think you are splitting hsirs a little. While I agree with what you are saying..ie.. its a team sport.... the QBs get the credit for leading a team to victory... right or wrong.. its the reality

If we want to remove the credit.. no way does Eli get in... the only reason he is even in the conversation is 2 rings.... and we all can agree it was that defense controlling the Patriots offense.

HACK

 

I think you are splitting hsirs a little. While I agree with what you are saying..ie.. its a team sport.... the QBs get the credit for leading a team to victory... right or wrong.. its the reality

If we want to remove the credit.. no way does Eli get in... the only reason he is even in the conversation is 2 rings.... and we all can agree it was that defense controlling the Patriots offense.

HACK

 

There are other stats, combined with what has been mentioned so far, that should push BB into the HoF.

"In the history of the NFL, 21 different quarterbacks have passed for at least 500 yards in a single game.
Only three quarterbacks have thrown for over 500 yards more than once in their career; Drew Brees and Tom Brady did so twice.
Ben Roethlisberger did so four times."

 

I have no problem with leaving Manning out. He is vastly overrated. Hell, I remember Giants fans talking about the need to bench him in the middle of the season the year they beat the Patriots in the Super Bowl the first time.

 

so why was he first ballot?

 

Deion was 6x first team All-Pro, and 8x Pro Bowler, an AP Defensive PoY. TIFWIW, but he's second all time amongst DBs on Pro Football Reference's Hall of Fame monitor. The Top 5 are Woodson, Sanders, Lott, Reed, and Adderly. He's third all time amongst DBs in Approximate Value behind only Woodson and Lott. That's pretty august company. As mentioned he was basically shut down the other team's best receiver for a decade. You threw his way at your peril.

Anyone who thinks he's not a HoF'er is high on crack.

 

I agree about Phillip, "shotput" Rivers. I can think of Tomlinson but, who's the other HOFer on that offense? 1st ballot.
Remember, this is the Chargers you're talking about. It's always been the same with them. They'd have a great offense but, no defense. Build a great defense....weak offense. I hate them more than any team in any sport but, I recognize that they've had some great players through the years. Just never a great team. If they couldn't even GET to the SB with Fouts, Chandler, Winslow and Coryell as the coach, they're never getting there!

 

Chargers had a pretty good TE named Gates.