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Jags hire Pederson

Discussion in 'General NFL Talk' started by Blast Furnace, Feb 3, 2022.

  1. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Best thing that could have happened for Lawrence.

     
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  2. AskQuestionsLater

    AskQuestionsLater Writing Team

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    So....


    Acquire a coach that basically gave up the Season on his team.... to a Franchise that continually gives up on itself?! Interesting. Seems like this is more of a Trent Baalke move than anything. Yes, Pederson did lead the Eagles to their first ever Super Bowl but did nothing after the fact.


    Again... very confusing, if not disappointing, hire here. Also true is the continual lack of knowledge Shahid Kahn showcases to the league. All I can say is.... poor Trevor @Blast Furnace@Blast Furnace.




    Another talented generational player that I get to witness their career slowly die.. :(
     
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  3. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Have to disagree with you here. Can’t dismiss his SB achievement. Lot of SB winning coaches have done nothing after winning it all, not easy to duplicate that feat.

    And I thought he did a very good job with Wentz until he started having back problems.

    I think this is actually good for Lawrence. We will see.

    I don’t know anything about Baalke so if he is as bad as you say, he could sabotage their success certainly.
     
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  4. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    I agree that for T. Lawrence this is a great thing. Now for the rest of the team .......Who knows, but You have 2 get T. Lawrence started on the right track 1st ,and foremost if You are the Jags. IMO
     
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  5. AskQuestionsLater

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    Disagree myself then with this.


    As I stated before, Pedersons SB accomplishment cannot be understated as he earned that. That said, let us not forget the likes of the coaches who assisted with Pederson to not just assist Wentz but also max out that team; Frank Reich, John Deflippio and Jim Schwartz... to name a few. More than just Pederson there. For that matter, see Pedersons record post 2017 for better clarity regarding this.



    In addition, the whole "quitting" aspect stemmed from one of his final decisions regarding the benching of Jalen Hurts in the final 2020 Season Game with the division still up for grabs. That is correct; the Eagles were up against the now Commanders in the 2020 finale when Pederson unexpectedly benched Hurts even though Hurts was winning the game. Shortly after that, multiple reports came out that Philly players nearly got into a physical confrontation with Doug. Again, more can be found here.



    Regarding Baalke, he is not as bad as I say it. His record shows much, much worse post Jim Harbaugh. Add the fact he is a control freak and that makes aspects even worse. Byron Leftwich himself would not return due to this; someone who is willing to comply being the alternative. Doug P is that person as he is now essentially a mouth piece for Baalke when it comes to NFL Draft Decisions and nothing else.
     
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  6. FosterMorris

    FosterMorris Well-Known Member

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    What? Nick Foles outduelled Tom Brady in Pederson's system. Carson Wentz almost won an MVP award. This is a great choice for HC. The objective is to make sure Lawrence develops.
     
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  7. Da Stellars

    Da Stellars Well-Known Member

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    We don't know what went down behind closed doors. The Eagles front office might have something to do with it as well, it takes two to tango.

    Hurts is rough man, they may give him another year, but I don't see him sticking around with Philly. There is probably a reason he got benched.
     
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  8. AskQuestionsLater

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    Correct regarding of what transpires behind closed doors. I disagree about overall in game decisions; that aspect solely on him.


    We sure do not know what exactly went down behind closed doors. However, what is known by the public is what Pederson had accomplished since both Reich, Schwartz and DeFlippio all left; little. In addition, the Eagles final game against the Commanders in 2020, one that would have punched their ticket into the playoffs. Instead of keeping Hurts in there to win that game, one that he was going to... he was yanked. That was not a Roiseman call nor Lurie one either; all on Pederson.



    In short?! Who Shahid Kahn believes he has gotten is not who he is. As you stated, takes two to tango. For him, Frank Reich played a bigger role in the development and performance of QBs like Foles and Wentz more so than they believe. Realistically speaking... the Jaguars ended up signing Foles to a big time contract soon thereafter; only for it to blow up in their face.




    Now, Pederson could indeed assist Lawrence.... but by how much?! That question remains unanswered for me.
     
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  9. Da Stellars

    Da Stellars Well-Known Member

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    What I’m saying is Eagles front office could have turned on Pederson before season was over, essentially making life difficult for him. So was it Pederson quitting or was it just a crappy situation all around at that point? Did front office force him to make decisions he didn’t want to make?

    I also seem to recall Wentz being part of the issue. The word is he is difficult to work with, but some in the front office were backing him over Pederson.

    I agree Reich probably contributed to some of the success, but it’s hard to say why it wasn’t sustained. Players aged out, injuries occurred, and they got extremely lucky that Super Bowl run. They were dead to rights just a few weeks before the regular season ended.


    Don’t forget that before it was Bieniemy they were all praising in KC, it was Pederson.
     
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  10. AskQuestionsLater

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    Doubtful that Lurie wanted to throw away another shot at the NFL Playoffs; doubly so after missing out on the last three seasons. Makes even less sense given the fact that he had just hoisted the Lombardi not that long ago the same. That all was on Pederson; reports backing that up no less.


    Regarding Reich? Reich was the Offensive Coordinator who did play to the Offense's strengths. The issues were not him but the personnel used shortly thereafter the 2017 Season. In addition, Reich was becoming a hot name among the next list of Head Coaches shortly after that Super Bowl. Anything else he could have done in 2018 would have been beneficial towards his chances of becoming one. One major aspect that did go unnoticed though was Reich's contributions to not just Carson Wentz but also Nick Foles as well. Some of that was Pederson for sure but some of that was also Reich.


    Finally, Pederson was already in Kansas City at the time, as an Offensive Coordinator (2013-2015), longer than Bienemy was even an Offensive Coordinator (2011-2012) at the University of Colorado. In addition, the Pederson v. Bienemy comparison cannot be made due to a myriad of factors; Eric himself not even being named as an OC until 2018 while Pederson was already the Head Coach by then.
     
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  11. Da Stellars

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    Reports of front office trying to influence what Pederson was doing on the field were reported. Not that game, but they were reported.

    I don't know, I can only give Reich credit for the QB play. Pederson was calling the plays, not Reich.

    Basically my opinion is let's wait and see ... the guy has had success, is an experienced play caller, and an ex-QB himself. To say Lawrence's career is going to go down the crapper because of Pederson is a little premature.
     
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  12. Lambert

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    It's a bad hire... for us. There are already so many good young QBs in the AFC and Pederson could very well fix Lawrence. We really need to get our QB search right.
     
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  13. thorn058

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    More details coming out about Meyer's few months in the NFL. Being reported he didn't know who #99 for the Rams wad and told his staff he'd been hearing that he might be a problem. How are you the coach of Ohio State and not know one of the top players to come out of Pitt and dominate the league. It defies belief.
     
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  14. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    It defies belief so much its really hard 2 except almost.
     
  15. Vox Ferrum

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    When I heard thT today I was like this cannot be true, but Urban was a huge goof last year lol.
     
  16. S.T.D

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    LoL. Apparently. Sad. You would think He was a way better coach than this. :shrug:
     
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