SteelerGlenn’s off-season moves

So let me get this straight, you want Wormley and Loudermilk as starters? That's a terrible idea. We've seen that already this season and our Run defense has been garbage.

 

No one will trade from Tuitt because only 2 things can be true (1) he's too physically unhealthy to play or (2) he's healthy enough to play but mentally unable or unwilling to play. You're not going to give up premium draft capital unless you know the player is wiling and able to take the field.

 

I'm not going to pretend to know for sure what's going on cause no one here knows for certain. I know this, he isn't available and that's a problem. Nobody with any sense is trading for this guy. To much salary to take on and to much uncertainty. I'm not even sure where people get these looney ideas.

 

Yes, I would do it.

 

Wormley works as a 1 gap DT/DE. He got a lot of pressure. Steelers should run a 4 man front and stop pretending they care about the 3-4. That's just terminology or ideology at this point. Can upgrade from Wormley in FA. Rotational depth needed.

Watt Tuitt Heyward Wormley

Devin Bush Devin Lloyd (Double Devins)

Play the nickel. Play cover 3 robber and have a S come up in the box.

 

Loudermilk wound up fighting through injuries, and he was a rookie. We don't know what his second year jump will be, but I am a believer. You would think he would be spelling Cam Heyward, Loudermilk wouldn't be the starter. Wormley has about 7 sacks this year and got better as year went on?

I'm saying we are shaping up to have a nice D-Line.

I blame NT and ILB's on run defense.

Do we need Tuitt? Would you move him and bloster the QB, offensive line, WRs, or ILB's??? Yeah, Tuitt is great at run defense, but how many more sacks do we need? Didn't get us that far this year.

 

This is a completely different debate. The point of my post was it the other person acted like we would be fine with Wormley and Loudermilk. For depth sure, but as starters we already seen what they’re capable of.

 

You can never have too many sacks, but clearly, they missed Tuitt's run defense. Also, Alualu said that he intends to be back for 2022. They certainly shouldn't count on him for 17 games, but that defense could be a hell of a lot better if both of those guys return.

 

Loudermilk was a rookie. It's a bit early to say that we've seen the best he can do.

 

Injuries. He had a sports hernia I believe, never was the same again

 

If we get the Alualu from 2 years ago, sign me up...

But I suspect with the money, age, and injury Steelers just move on.

 

You're right. We can't play with them as 3-4 DE and stop the run. Of course it will be Tuitt (for as long as he is healthy) and Heyward. I think Wormley showed himself to be a good rotational player and the run defense was largely defensive alignment. The Steelers are a nickel defense that often uses only 2 down linemen. Last year with Tuitt and Heyward they gave up 4.3 ypc IIRC. Not very good.

 

I've been saying for 5 - 6 years we haven't been able 2 stop the run. Difference was ....We were able 2 get jumps on most teams with the offense ,and they would abandon it. If You go back ,and look at teams that could hang with Us , or jump ahead of us .....They could run on us.
Our 3-4 is not in anyway what it use 2 be. We run a whole different scheme.

 

He is already signed for 2022. It isn't as if he had a soft-tissue injury in 2021. He suffered a fractured ankle when somebody rolled on the back of his leg. That could happen to a player of any age. Is it worth saving $2.5 million to cut him if he is fully recovered?

 

Fair enough, but to suggest we are fine moving forward with these guys as starters is scary

 

I agree. They need to keep investing in both lines. This is tough to predict right now because we are missing a key piece of information. We have no idea what is going on with Tuitt. If he returns, they still need help long-term, but they would be pretty well set for 2022. If not, the defensive line becomes a higher priority in free agency and the draft.

 

it's very difficult to get a starting player and keep him as a backup. wormley and loudermilk played pretty well this year for us. adams played pretty well for us. he also was brought in later so with a camp will probably even improve. alualu will be key. carlos davis being hurt all year didn't help either. tuitt has not made a full season even in college. yes a fine player when healthy but when is that? mondeaux doesn't have the butt to hold up well inside. i like him but his size hurts him in a 3-4 or a 2 down setting that we run a lot. the more we run the two down linemen the more we need guys like adams alualu and loudermilk. cam as well but he's a no brainer. davis is helpful in that scenario too. he's stout at the point of attack but has some range too.

we have been adding players through the draft on the d-line. davis, loudermilk, buggs were all draft picks the last few years. wormley and adams were free agent pickups. it's not like they have done nothing. i think the biggest problem is inside linebacker not stopping the run. they have given the d-line no help in this area. schobert was second on the team in tackles. 70 of his 112 were solo tackles. bush and spillane combined had 70 solo tackles. schobert was also more of a part time player as well. he also got here late and learned on the fly and still ended as the top inside guy. many more stops then vince ever had. we need to get schobert some help in there and it could get even better. johnson? could be but we just don't know. spillane and UG3 and allen are not the answer.

 

Nice list.

Personally out of all the offensive lineman Dan Moore shined and to me did a solid job at left tackle. I feel he stays there.

Its the interior that needs fixing first. Leglue has a spot and Green as well at guard. Whether they start is another question. Dotson is not a finished product and will need to compete. None are a shoe in to start as far as i'm concerned.

The tragedy is that the coaches let Green start and get owned game after game and until an injury. Hassenauer came in and played solid. He is a good piece to keep around but not a full time starter.

Chuks is a UFA. Banner is signed for 2022.

A center should be the 1st O lineman drafted then guard. A tackle somewhere. I would look the FA route.

So many needs.

This will be a multi year fix.

 

I'm not sure this means much but some lady on twitter said Tuitt put his house up for sale.

 

He might be done. Sad because when He played I thought He had the Highest ceiling of anyone on the line. Hopefully it just means He's getting a better Home.

 

Wow that is interesting ... Do you have the link?