Hines snubbed again…

Something nobody brings up is R. Wayne had Peyton his whole career.
Hines had Kordell, K. Graham, M. Tomczak, T. Maddox, and Ben.

 

Touche. Point taken, but beyond just stats, if you go by Pro Bowl appearances or All-Pro teams, Heins comes up fourth amongst the four mentioned.

 

Hines may not have been one of the best receivers to ever play the game, but he darn sure was one of the best FOOTBALL PLAYERS to ever play the game! He should eventually make the cut.

 

Winner

 

I wonder Teri Bradshaw and Joe Green will be there

 

and then they got ruined hahahaha

 

He was on a run first team, and didn’t play with a “great” QB until the last 3rd of his career?

If Ward was on Rams you don’t think he would have had better numbers?

He probably wasn’t considered the best by Fantasy Peeps, but he was a winner.

Also I know it doesn’t count, but those three have the personality of a piece of cardboard. Hines was in all the commercials and NFL clips... Face of the league! And a Super Bowl mvp. What more do you need?

 

Ward was totally different from any of these guys. Wayne was in a pass happy offense, Johnson was the only guy in Houston and Hester just played special teams. Ward broke jaws and was clutch.

 

Wayne and Holt weren't even the best receivers on their teams: Harrison and Bruce were. They also had Peyton and Warner/Bulger throwing them the ball in pass happy offenses.

Ben didn't have a big statistical season until 2007 when Hines was 31. The Steelers were 29th in passing yards in Hines' rookie year and they were consistently in the bottom half of the NFL until 2009 when Hines was 33.

Reggie Wayne came to a Colts team that was 2nd in passing yards in 2001. Then 4th, 1st, 1st, 3rd, 2nd etc. He played all but one season with Peyton Manning or Andrew Luck!


I wonder if Hines would have had better stats with Peyton Manning throwing to him in a Tom Moore offense? Who is to say really? XD

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Hines has higher receptions and yards per game in the playoffs than Wayne and Holt.

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So your argument is that Wayne and Holt being in heavy pass offenses with HOF QBs early in their careers means they are better than Hines was in a run heavy offense based on regular season stat compilation (but ignoring playoff and Super Bowl stats where Hines outperformed them).

I can see the argument that Andre Johnson was better than Hines. He, like Hines, did not have the luxury of an elite QB in a pass focused offense in the prime of his career like Wayne and Holt. Andre's production was amazing.

What you cannot argue is that Andre Johnson had a better career or a bigger impact on Super Bowl outcomes than Hines.


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To say Hines shouldn't get in at all is crazy.

- 1 of 7 wide receivers to win a Super Bowl MVP.

- 4th all-time in playoffs receiving TD

- 8th all-time in playoffs receiving yards

- 5th all-time in playoffs receptions

 

WRONG! After Peyton retired Wayne was stuck with Andrew Luck! XD

 

Would like to add that Hester should be in as a returner. Probably the second best returner ever after Sayers.

 

Stallworth or Swann, take your pick was the second best WR on their team. Which one do you want to take out of the Hall?

You going to put in Julian Edelman too? He has more playoff receptions and yds and is also a SB MVP? Does that mean Deion Branch or Santonio Holmes just missed the Hall. C'mon. Of course not.

Postseason stuff doesn't mean much except in the case of QBs.


Be real.

 

Lynn Swann of course. By your own criteria of measuring players based on regular season stats no way should Swann be in the HOF.

Sure Swann is a very respectable 9th in career playoff TD and 21st in playoff receiving yards (really good when you adjust for era); but his regular season stats (what really determines greatness) are pretty sad.

336 catches?!! Not even top 250!!! 5400 yards?! Not even top 250!!! 51 TD?! 127th tied with Emmanuel Sanders!!!

What a bum! Couldn't even compile regular season stats! All he did was catch TD in the playoffs and Super Bowls!

 

I was about to say the same thing.

More receptions than Holt too.

He definitely should have been in before Tory Holt and an argument could be made for him getting in before Johnson.

 

Cliff Branch should have been in the HOF years ago. "Log jam" should have been resolved in the order of Cliff Branch, Ward, Boldin, Steve Smith Sr, Wayne, Johnson. JMO.

Also Larry Fitzgerald is first ballot whenever he retires. Should go to the front of the list. So that is 2 non-Steelers I would put in before Hines who has been waiting a decade already.

 

Yeah I think Holt is way down the list. Regular season 22nd in catches 38th in receiving TDs? Playoffs? Not top 50 in anything.

An argument could be made Holt shouldn't have even been the next Rams receiver in the HOF... Henry Ellard.

I think Johnson is hard to judge because he was amazing but he could also be summed up as "The Texans wasted his career." He's definitely a HOF but I think other players could have got in before him based on postseason success in addition to comparable regular season success. No fault of Johnson's.

 

I loved when he ran back the opening kickoff in 2007 SB. He took the time to watch himself on the big screen above field. Only highlight for the Bears that day.

 

Hines Ward belongs in the HOF before any of those other receivers/ kick returners going in, period. The complete package at the position.

 

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As I was saying, L.C. Greenwood fans have more cache to be pissed off than Hines Ward fans do. For that matter, a lot more enraged. Why?!


L.C. is an All Decade Member and was apart of what is widely reputed as the greatest Defense in NFL History and also one of the best Defensive Lines in NFL History. The Purple People Eaters (both 70s and 90s versions) and the Fearsome Foursome have multiple members of their units enshrined in Canton. The Steel Curtain remains the only Defensive Line that does not have one.



Compare that to Hines?! One rule change a HOF Career does not make. Sure, it can boost one's chances but that alone is not enough. Example?! Was Mel Blount just as good or better after the Mel Blount rule?! .......



....... Thought so. Add in the fact that he is not an All Decade Member along with having fewer All Pro nods and the arguments against him versus his contemporaries are only magnified.

 

This! Hines should make the HOF solely based upon his statistical accomplishments on the field. However, it is those intangible things (idk like downfield blocking, etc.) which separate him from the pack. The Steelers won two super bowls because they had players on the roster such as Hines, Heath, Harrison, Troy, etc who brought more to the game than just statistics. For instance, when Ben would get strip sacked it was usually Heath recovering the fumble. That football awareness and IQ (and football toughness) is what separates Hines from the pack. Although it is difficult to measure that, it is a factor and knowledgeable fans can identify it when they see it. One more thing while I'm on a rant. The Pittsburgh Steelers and the Pittsburgh Steeler fans have a strong and long history of football awareness. That is probably why we (as fans) take it so hard when we don't see the Steelers exhibit toughness and football awareness taking place on the field.

 

I'm pissed off about Ward getting snubbed too. Finally....a thread worth posting in besides the debacle that is the Tomlin Steelers.

 

Hines wasn't snubbed, the only people who thought he was getting in this time around are Steelers fans, if he does get in it will take a long time.