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Steelers should have tanked two years ago to get QB instead of trade for Minkah

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by Ytownsteeler, Dec 10, 2021.

  1. Ytownsteeler

    Ytownsteeler Well-Known Member

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    He is awesome at FS but the d stinks anyway and now no QB for next year. We are in heavy rebuild mode for next 2 years and if it all goes right we compete in 3.
     
  2. Madmike77

    Madmike77 Well-Known Member

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    The issue is the Steelers don't tank. The last time they had a top-5 pick was 1970.
     
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  3. Ytownsteeler

    Ytownsteeler Well-Known Member

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    Our defense sucks anyway so we wasted a shot at a future QB for a FS. I was 4 when i started cheering for the Steelers in 1974 and last night's first half was the worst football I have ever seen by my beloved team. i went to bed in 3rd quarter. The last time I felt this bad about our future was losing 50 something to niohing at home to the Browns in the 1980's
     
  4. AskQuestionsLater

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    This.


    Why people believe the Rooney's would ever concede a season, much less the players, still amazes me to this day. Pittsburgh has not had a Top 5 pick in three generations. That is an absurd level of consistency; liked or otherwise.
     
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  5. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    Never ever ever EVER tank. That is all.
     
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  6. james weyandt

    james weyandt Well-Known Member

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    We need to trade TJ watt to get Kenny Picket. Dont blow it like they did with Dan MARINO
     
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  7. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    :facepalm::facepalm:
     
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  8. RichD

    RichD Well-Known Member

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    I once started a thread about trading TJ Watt for some 1st rounders, because I could see what`s was coming down the line (Today).
     
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  9. SteelHack

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    So who did you want to tabk for?

    TANK FOR TUA? The Phins did and it didn't work out so well
    Next up
    JORDAN LOVE? I think we got him in Mason
    Next
    JALEN HURTS?

    that's the 3 we had a shot at... Burrow went 1 Herbert at 6

    HACK
     
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  10. SteelersFanIrl

    SteelersFanIrl Well-Known Member

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    No thanks, Try to win, always, even if it seems unlikely, try to draft well and make smart decisions

    No team has succeeded in the recent past by tanking for draft picks. Look at all the Super Bowl winners from the past decade and not one of them has done this. It is not a proven strategy
     
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  11. bigbenhotness

    bigbenhotness Well-Known Member

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    We will tank unintentionally soon so don’t worry about it lol
     
  12. Steel Hog

    Steel Hog Well-Known Member

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    Would this thread even exist if we won last night? All the threads would have been how great Ben is, how the team pulled it out, blah blah blah. Like the last game, we were 1 play away from failure and see what we were talking about. I think its just interesting what a difference one play makes. JMO>
     
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  13. fanfav

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    Why do so many Steelers fans assume that tanking a particular season just to get a high draft pick does us any good ? Look at Cleveland over the years, or the Jets…and that’s just naming 2 teams because their are plenty more. Attaining good or the best draft picks doesn’t always equate to playoffs or even winning seasons. Look at us for example, if I’m not mistaken D Bush was a #1 pick & so far he’s been mediocre @ best. Haden is the only other I can think of @ #1 but he wasn’t drafted by our Steelers.

    Point is…NEVER tank a season just to attain a great draft pick because they don’t always equate to greatness (and especially when your not mathematically eliminated from playoffs) Play your hearts out till the very end and let the chips fall where they may. Look at Tom Brady selected 199th overall by New Eng in the 6th round of the 2000 NFL draft. Now he’s arguably the greatest QB to ever play the position.
     
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  14. Wardismvp

    Wardismvp Well-Known Member

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    And that is enough, you will never see a Steeler team tank. Hell even in the late 60's when they stunk they played hard.
     
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  15. Steel_Elvis

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    Chalk me up with the folks pointing out that getting more, and higher draft picks does not necessarily lead to success. Trade TJ for picks? Really? Trade a perennial 1st team All Pro edge defender for a 50/50 chance (at best) of getting a quality QB?

    Draft picks are used to acquire players. Draft picks in and of themselves do not lead to wins and losses unless a team “hits” on them and gets players whose play on the field equals or exceeds their draft position. The odds of that happening are not very high. “Can’t miss” players miss all the time. Setting aside QBs and flat out busts, there are plenty of players who are drafted high as “can’t miss” prospects and have decent careers, but nowhere near what was expected from their draft status. If you look at the players drafted in the 1st round from every draft, you’ll see that less than 50% pan out and have careers that you’d expect for first rounders, or in some cases you’ll see players who did not pan out for the teams that drafted them, but blossom in a new environment with the second or third team. In many cases you’ll see guys drafted in the bottom of the first round or later rounds outperform the high first rounders from the same draft (TJ).
     
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  16. steel machine

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    I wonder how many top 5 picks the Detroit Lions have had over that time? Getting top picks guarantees nada. As for our QB situation I'm still clinging to the fact that Brady was a 6th rounder. Lighting can strike twice:)
     
  17. steel machine

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    Off topic but I'm sick of trying to figure out what "I <3 you" frigging means.

    Maybe it's some secret sign for Cowboys love:)
     
  18. Clive From PIT

    Clive From PIT I'm starting to drink the Koolaid! Site Admin

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    Let me be clear: No tanking. Ever.

    That out of the way, pointing to the Lions, Jets and Browns doesn’t by itself prove your point. You can’t ignore that those organizations are “below the line” in so many ways. High draft picks mean nothing if the team chooses poorly, runs a coaching/coordinator carousel, and/or has little in the way of competent supporting cast.
     
  19. SteelHack

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    Cam Heyward was drafted 31st overall.

    TJ Watt was drafted 30th overall

    had we tankelia few of gamers that year we could have drafted Taco Charlton instead

    HACK
     
  20. KMM

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    Tanking aside, I said at the time and still maintain that trading a first rounder for a safety, even an all-pro safety just doesn't make much sense, especially when your QB situation was up in the air.

    The Steelers pick was the 18th, but Minkah probably won 1 or 2 games that season (didn't matter, still missed the playoffs), so they really traded a pick that was somewhere between 8-14 for Minkah. Not saying they could have moved up to get a Herbert at the 6th position or anything, but just that you don't even have any option to once that pick is traded. For a safety. A position that has much less impact than most positions.

    In the last five drafts, here is the complete list of safeties taken in the first round:

    2021: None
    2020: None
    2019: Darnell Savage (21 overall), Jonathan Abram (27 overall)
    2018: Minkah (11 overall), Derwin James (17 overall), Terrell Edmunds (28 overall)
    2017: Jamal Adams (6 overall), Malik Hooker (15 overall)

    If we count Minkah twice since the Steelers spent their #1 to get him, that means a grand total of 8 first round picks have been used in the first over the last 5 years. Two by the Steelers.

    During that same time 8 RBs were taken in the first, 7 TEs, and 4 centers. Considering there's only 1 starter at each of those positions vs 2 for safety, one could argue safety is the position of least importance, at least when it comes to using a first round pick on.
     
  21. Dusty1

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    I was all for a TJ trade for additional draft capital and before we hamstring the team with the huge contract he got. And I’m not looking for the Franchise QB. We need a wholistic team, not a QB poor one.
     
  22. S.T.D

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    Plus all the problems we have and the 1st thing is people bringing up Qb. Qb is the least of our problems right now.
    Also since I've been reading this board(before I even joined)I have seen some of the Qbs people on here wanted , and thought were great. Someone care 2 bring those up frome the last 6 drafts.
    Yeah I don't think so. LoL.
    If We would have drafted 3/4 of the Qbs everyone on Here wanted....We would be in a way worse situation then We are.
    You never lose on purpose for future You don't know what.
     
  23. Steel Hog

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    Any time I see things like this that I can't figure out, I interpolate it as, "any fans other than Steelers fans should be crapped on".
     
  24. AskQuestionsLater

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    Disagree with this overall somewhat. If anything, Derwin James, Jamal Adams, Darnell Savage and Minkah himself all essentially prove just how rewarding it is when a team hits on a safety due to the position itself a position that really is not its own position anymore thanks to pioneers like Ed Reed and Troy Polamalu who were the forerunners of the modern Safety Position. As it currently stands, the term Safety is in name only; the "Queen of the Chessboard" is what they should be called in all actuality as their responsibilities and abilities need to be at an ABSURD level. Acquiring a good "Queen" is difficult enough in someone like Darnell Savage. A "Queen" like Minkah Fitzpatrick, Jamal Adams (one of two safeties in NFL History with All Pro nods in their first four years; Ed Reed being the other) and Derwin James?! Good luck as such talent do not come very often and, should they, they are drafted very high... as was the case with Jamal Adams.



    In addition, even if the Steelers did not trade for Minkah, at worst, the team is looking at a 10 loss season, 11 at most. Per the 2020 draft, this would have at least placed the Steelers in no worse than 7th, 9th even. Even then, drafting the likes of Herbert or Tua would have been very unlikely as Colbert was already on record in stating he would not be selling the farm for one player. That included QBs... barring extreme circumstances of course. Here is the final nail though regarding Herbert; Colbert has never drafted a player from the University of Oregon. Never mind that, the Pittsburgh Steelers have never drafted from that University.... ever. As such, the likelihood of Herbert even being here would have been next to impossible anyways.
     
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  25. jeh1856

    jeh1856 Im a happy camper

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    You build with defense

    You don’t get rid of your best defensive player to get a long shot kid who has done nothing in the NFL and statistically has a 50-75% bust rate.

    This is not a good long term approach.

    There is a thing in statistics called expected value. It should work long term for football. Stick with it and you will have the best chance. Make low expected value trades/deals and in the long run, you will certainly loose.

    One of the reasons many teams, Washington for one, fare poorly, is they gamble and loose by make low expected return moves.
     
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