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Why isn't Avery Williamson being brought to camp to replace Vince?

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by Brice, Jul 24, 2021.

  1. Brice

    Brice Well-Known Member

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    Seems like an easy pickup to bring in a guy that already has experience with the position and the system to replace a Vet.

    I am still hoping Buddy Johnson spends his rookie season backing up Bush and learning how to call the defense.
     
  2. SteelerGlenn

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    It wouldn’t surprise me if he was brought back, but honestly he didn’t do squat when he did play.
     
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  3. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    I've been thinking about this.:hmm:
    Maybe they didn't like what they saw in Him, He wants 2 much, or they really like what they have.
    It's all I can think of:shrug:
     
  4. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    I though they would but he’s a FA, he may be asking for too much. Last season they acquired him in a trade.

    They brought back Calvin Bundage after Vince announced his retirement.
     
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  5. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    What? He had 52 tackles in 4 starts. Vince had 70 in 14 starts. :cool:
     
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  6. SteelerGlenn

    SteelerGlenn

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    Wait wasn’t Vince a 6th round draft pick? How is you don’t love this guy.

    Anyway Williamson had 52 tackles over 8 games played for the Steelers. Not just over 4 starts. Not sure how you could overlook that fact?
     
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  7. SteelersFanIrl

    SteelersFanIrl Well-Known Member

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    The plan was always to go in to the season with Spillane and Bush as the starters. They may wish to see what they have in Buddy Johnson and UG3 before making a panic signing.

    From Williamson’s POV he may not want to come back in a backup role either. He has been a relatively solid starter his entire career and might feel that he can get a starting job somewhere if he hangs on and waits for the inevitable camp injuries to start happening.
     
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  8. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    the first 3 games he didn't see much action because he just got here. his last 6 games including his 4 starts, he had tackle numbers of 2, 9, 11, 7, 14, 8. plus a sack. 4 tackles for loss. so yes he did much better then you claim he did. much better then squat as you said. a lot better then squat or vince. in vince's last 6 he had 4, 5, 2, 7, 5, 2. no sacks. no tackles for loss. squat played better. avery was a 5th round pick by the way. :cool:
     
  9. SteelerGlenn

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    So you were wrong about the “52 tackles over 4 starts” claim?
     
  10. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    no, he had 4 starts compared to vinces 14 starts:cool:.
     
  11. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    Because he's not that good, they can wait until cut down day to sign another ILB.
     
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  12. Maddog78

    Maddog78 Well-Known Member

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    Tackles are one stat. Overall he was bad.

    https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/avery-williamson/8786
     
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  13. thorn058

    thorn058 Well-Known Member

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    I absolutely love watching you move the goalposts on any Stat that doesn't align with your pov. Guy flat out stops Derrick Henry which most solid NFLplayers can't do and you attempt to discredit it by saying he was unblocked and had a 7 yards start. Now it's tackles being just one Stat. Now I have had my fair share of disagreements with the tackles Stat mainly because if you had a DB with the highest number of tackles at the end of game day that isn't really the best Stat people make it, but I've never tried to completely dismiss all relevance. Can't wait for the next masterpiece.
     
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  14. BURGH43STEL

    BURGH43STEL Well-Known Member

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    Williamson could be a better player in the Steelers system this year. How much would a full offseason, camp, and familiarity benefit Williamson?

    Maybe the Steelers reached out to him and he is waiting for a better offer? Maybe he doesn't want to attend camp? Maybe the Steelers don't think he is a good fit? Who knows at this point?
     
  15. Maddog78

    Maddog78 Well-Known Member

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    Where's the inconsistency? Williamson wasn't very good last year. Dave Bryan at SteelersDepot broke him down on the latest podcast and had the same "meh" opinion as PFF. I trust the analysis of people who watch every play on the All-22 over one or two highlights and counting stats.
     
  16. thorn058

    thorn058 Well-Known Member

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    I never said there was an inconsistency in fact you are amazingly consistent with disregarding any stat that doesn't jive with your opinion. You just said tackles are just one stat out of many in an effort to make Mac's response look invalid. Now if tackles or lack there of pointed towards your view that so and so wasn't good then that stat is good. It's classic if the numbers make me right they are the best thing in the world, if they prove me wrong then they are bad stats not worth people's time.
     
  17. Maddog78

    Maddog78 Well-Known Member

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    Not my opinion, the opinions of people who are paid to grade every play. Counting stats without context are almost worthless.
     
  18. thorn058

    thorn058 Well-Known Member

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    So you are using people's opinion that you don't agree with?
     
  19. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    I wouldn’t be surprised if we tried to bring Williamson back, but I wonder if the FO thinks we already have a better 1st and 2nd down guy in Buddy Johnson. I knew very little about him when we drafted him, but when I watched film of him after the draft he looked pretty solid as a run defender. Coverage is another story, but the athleticism is there for him to develop and be better in coverage than Vince or Avery.
     
  20. SteelerGlenn

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    That’s not what you said. You said Williamson had 52 tackles in 4 starts. That’s incorrect.
     
  21. thorn058

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    It's somewhat correct Glenn but misleading in its wording. He was the starter for 4 of the games and had 52 tackles over the spread of x amount of games. Vince started all his games and had x amount of tackles. Mac's point of doing more with less time is lost by confusing wording.
     
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  22. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    oh i see i should have said with 4 starts. anyway a lot less games with more production per time on the field. does that help glenn. vince has never hit the 100 tackle thresh hold in his career. when you say things like didn't do squat, that is way off base for williamson. he was new to the defense in the middle of a season and vince has been here his whole career. williamson finished here while starting just 4 games compared to vinces 14 games with just 18 less tackles and a lot less time on the field. that is squat. williamson has had a far better career then vince by far.

    thank you thorn. you and i have discussed vince before and come away pretty much with the same or similar thinking about him. :cool:
     
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  23. SteelHack

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    Id kick the tires on Mychal Kendricks as well.

    HACK
     
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  24. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    If nothing else, he may have seemed great stock tips to share in the locker room.
     
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  25. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    Let’s put a more complete set of 2020 stats out there:

    VW: 671 def snaps + 48 special teams snaps
    47 tackles, 23 assists, 14 tackles for loss
    Coverage: 62.9% completions, 2 TDs surrendered, 90.9 passer ratings against
    Blitzing: 47 blitzes, 3 sacks, 6 pressures

    AW: 309 def snaps + 51 special teams snaps
    37 tackles, 15 assists, 3 tackles for loss
    Coverage: 76.2% completions, 2 TDs surrendered, 126.3 passer rating against
    Blitzing: 27 blitzes, 1 sack, 2 pressures

    The only stat that favors AW is quantity of tackles per snap.
     
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