Future bright or dim?

That dude is struggling right now with the transition from college to the pros. Only a few in the history of the league have made that look easy. If you were a big fan you wouldn’t be passing judgement after 3 games, that’s totally unfair. .Think about all the things you said about his supporting cast and then think about where he should realistically be in his development. Also his HC isn’t QB friendly like a lot of the QBs you see having success. What I mean by that is MT isn’t a offensive minded QB coach who understands and can teach all the nuances to a young QB. They are relying on someone who we can best describe right now as a glorified QB coach(to which he shamefully doesn’t have either.) to teach, develop and game plan for him. The jury is out on Fichtner as well. He has no proven track record in the league either.

Like I said in another post look at the guys drafted in the first round. They’re not exactly lighting it up either and they played some last year. Got starter reps in practice as well. MR didn’t benefit from either. You’re obviously entitled to your opinion but I think you’re making a rush to judgement especially knowing all the things he has to overcome. You’ve pointed them out yourself. You may end up being right in the long run because history in your favor but to me it’s just too soon and no I don’t think benching him does him any favors and in turn the team in the long run. Ben’s future is a uncertainty and we don’t have a 1st round pick even if we wanted a QB. So you’re taking about drafting another project in the earliest the 2nd round and going through the same thing where everyone wants him benched after 7 games. I believe it’s 50/50 Ben comes back at all and even slightly less chance he comes back to where he was. They invested in MR and I think he deserves a legitimate shot because as of today he’s our future. JMO.

 

I think the speed in the NFL has him flabbergasted.

 

Dangling participles? Wut? Where is my dictionary.



Edit: ok, over my intelligence level so moving on.

 

Definitely a adjustment period for sure.

 

After the 70's no fan could accept anything less than SB. That said the 90's at least brought consistent hope. The 80's were pretty bad, yet how many franchises would love to say they went to 2 AFC championship games in a decade? Some teams have went decades w/o even seeing the play offs, but honestly even those 80's po teams seemed more like a fluke than destiny. Malone, Blackledge, Brister...I think Im gonna be ill.

 

Lol, you have to consider the source. @Formerscribe is the King of English and all things nitpicky. You don't debate him on substance. You debate him on linguistics and interpretation and grammar. If you don't start your rebuttal with a properly constructed doctoral thesis, your documented credentials justifying it, full bibliography, and references (both character and technical) he will dismiss your credibility. I think there's a form you have to fill out before debating him as well. Ask @Blast Furnace. I think he has a copy.

 

I might be rushing to judgement. You're right there. And I haven't written him off. I'm simply disappointed in what I've seen from him in regard to what I expected.

If he wasn't reading defenses or not on the same page with his receivers, I wouldn't be upset. If he was throwing twice as many picks because of forcing things considering the bad OL play, I would be okay and saying he just needs time and better support.

I just don't see him making the throws he has made hundreds of times already. Can he? Hell yeah. So let's see it.

 

Sad but true, very true!

 

Yep. Who knows maybe he can pick it up.

 

I don’t know. For all we know he’s scared ****less and is just putting up a front

 

I think he will. If he can do it tomorrow & all his excuses (all 52 of them) come to play, here we come playoffs!!!

 

Not sure about playoffs lol

 

I think the biggest concern with Mason up to this point might be accuracy.

 

Just want to get in, last year sucked.

 

What about timing?

 

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

 

His inaccuracy affects his timing. I think his inaccuracy affects just about everything he does as a QB. He would cut the ball lose earlier if he had confidence in his accuracy.

It doesn't matter how much film he studies if he can't place the balls into consistently tight windows at the NFL level.

 

In your case, we can skip the form and jump right to the part where you lose.

 

Going back to the OP I think the Steelers have a good foundation with young players on defence and I actually think the WR corp may turn out to be good in the long run with a more stable QB situation and an actual run game to open up play action.

How the future turns out depends on how well they draft and how well they use free agency. They need a good running back and several new pieces on the OLine very soon. QB is the huge question mark obviously. They need another 2017 type draft soon.

 

I more or less agree with most the things said so far in the thread. I just want to point out that currently we have 2 players not playing for us (Ben and AB) that account for almost 1/4 of our cap i think like 23%. Imagine for a second, Brown never went crazy, and Ben never got hurt. We made the trade for Minkah somehow still even though I suspect Miami figured us to tank. How are things different? Anyways, point is, that is a big blow to any team, having players you paid and rely on either injured or otherwise not playing for you. Some of these deficiencies on offense could very well be handled with a quality free agent signing, a la not just taking a flyer on a Moncrief. RB depth is famous for being pretty cheap to find and some teams seemingly making otherwise average rb's into production machines.

All that said, what I am getting it as that I won't be crossing my fingers for a Superbowl come 2021/2/3 or whenever Ben hangs it up, until I know we got a QB capable of it. In the meantime, I don't see us doing any worse (on average) than we are right now. That is, 6 to 9 wins and possible playoff contention, especially if its a down year in the AFCN due to whatever plethora of reasons. We have a core of YOUNG STUDS on defense that we will be making sure to keep, in Minkah, Bush, and Watt. Hopefully we can get longterm done with Hargrave this offseason. Who knows, maybe we will become one of those teams that relies on consistent heavy league leading defense year in and year out, and puts our chances for SB's on either young, cheap, maybe dual threat QB, or signing the vet on a reasonable deal who wants to win.

We will remain competitive, with some down years probably.

 

Only way I lose to you is if you hit me over the head with a helmet. Unlike you and MR, I hit my targets.

And too late, I already filled out the form.

 

Completely agree with this. In the NFL, accuracy is all important. a) it allows receivers to catch the ball on the run, b) it keeps receivers protected by not having to be exposed to big hit, and c) gives a playcaller a lot more flexibility.

Right now MR's accuracy is so poor that we don't have any of those things. Our receivers are getting hammered and dropping balls they'd normally catch. It limits the plays you can call and the number of actual potential targets in a play. For example I still don't think I've seen MR actually throw a good NFL deep out, so any receiver running one is out of the play.

It's not surprising he seems to be struggling more. Defenses are adjusting as they see what he can and can't do.