The biggest misconception about the Steelers

I keep hearing fans say they have all this talent, really . Just because they have a good offense, doesn't mean the whole roster is talented. They have some nice pieces on defense, but there isn't a consistent playmaker who can make a game changing play when needed. There is no Troy, Harrison, or Shazier on the team, Watt might have the potential to eventually be that guy, but he disappears too often. This defense had many opportunities to get stops during the 3 game losing streak, they came up short every time.

 

I agree no shazier or troy but come on. Not many of those dudes in the league period. When u look at the season. Look at it as a complete team effort. Maybe 3 or 4 games that all 3 phases played good at the same time.
Raiders loss- I put that on special teams. Defense played decent
Browns tie- offense played horrible. Ben mostly
Broncos- sorry but that one to me is all Ben
Ravens- we just got outplayed
Chiefs- slow start. After that played right with them so that one who knows
Chargers. That was defense. Offense played good enough to win
Saints. I put that on just being outplayed in a tough place by a good team.

You are right about the defense not being a consistent group. Still pretty young at key spots but need to pick it up

That being said. If they get in, they are as good as anyone. Even on defense.

You could even say the defense won 2 or 3 games this year. Pat's, Bengals, bucs

 

the Def this year has had stretches where they have played very good. The 2nd half against the saints they were playing good until the fake punt put them in a bad position and then the 3rd and 20 play. To me its puzzling how they can play so well for 2 or 3 series then come back out and look like they dont have a chance. It also seems how the entire team is so mentally weak, One play bad doesnt go there way and both sides of the ball go to hell. thats when you need leaders on the field and coaching to take over something this team doesnt have

 

I think when people say they have a ton of talent their referring to the offensive side only. There’s no way they can be talking about the defensive side of the ball. We do have two number ones at wide receiver. We’ve had two elite backs in Bell and Conner. The offensive line is pretty good. Then of course Ben is one of the best quarterbacks in the game.

We haven’t had legitimate talent on the defensive side of the ball in awhile. They let teams go up and down the field on them almost every game. Definitely in the big moments of big games. We need a whole new secondary. Hayden is decent but he’s getting older. We’ve whiffed on so many corners in the last 3-5 years it’s crazy.

So that’s what I think about when they or I say a lot of talent. Ben will finally retire and the contracts for Juju and Conner will come up. Whether they pay them I don’t know. I’m sure Juju will get paid but not sure about Conner. Running backs can be found in the draft.

 

We have decent players, but not high end talent on defense. What is really killing us is lack of attention to detail and game awerness....it’s just sloppy.

 

Hard to pin Broncos all on Ben. He did his part and threw a touchdown. Unfortunately Grimble wanted to play chicken instead of avoiding a hit. Then Connor fumbled. Score on both of those drives and Ben wouldn’t have throw the late INT.

 

Agreed. Roetlisberger certainly made mistakes in Denver, but he was far from the only one to blame and Grimble's mistake was probably the most egregious.

 

When you turn over the ball and can't create turnovers of the other team,
I think our turnover ratio is like -11 you become a 8-6-1 team.
Plus add in your place kicker making 57 % of his kicks you are usually on the outside
looking in. Real competition needs to be brought in either thru draft or FA to upgrade talent level
in some areas.

 

It’s a combination of everything. Bad calls bad coaching decisions and turnovers.


If you want to keep it simple then bad special teams and losing turnover battle

 

I was downvoted by many when I said I dont see the talent. Looking at the playoff teams I would say overall except NE all of them have a more talented team in all three phases of the game. Ne though just has the best coaching staff of anyone, a terrible division, and arguably the best qb ever in brady so that's why they are in. Our offense though is top level and up there with the best.

 

The Steelers secondary is very inconsistent. The only player in that secondary I really like, is Joe Haden. He had brights spots this season. The Steelers defensive line is legit good. Cameron Heyward, Javon Hargrave, and Stephon Tuitt are problems for opposing offensive lineman. The linebackers for the Steelers are solid. Nothing great. When T.J Watt is a pass rusher, he is scary. I don't think the Steelers have great coverage linebackers. This off-season, that has to be fixed as well as the secondary issues.

 

Strongly disagree on Watt.


Should Bud win more of those one on one matchups, Watt's impact skyrockets. Otherwise, the end result is what is currently transpiring. Obtain a pass rusher to pair up with Watt and the results shall change.



Other than that, agree with everything else stated. Defense is wildly consistenly inconsistent. The offense no less. Way too much imbalance and not enough of balance.

 

The biggest misconception of the Steelers is thinking that the coaches know who the players are on the other team week to week lol

 

There's no way to find a helmet for Ola. He should be getting some of Duprees reps. We will have no real game film on Ola and we have to make a decision on Dupree this offseason.

 

They are more talented offensively than most of the teams in the NFL. The Saints don't have the depth at receiver. The Chiefs no longer have Hunt, but they are comparable. The Chargers aren't as good on the line. The Cowboys, Vikings, Bears, Ravens and Rams have inferior quarterbacks.

The Chiefs are actually worse on defense. That's a short list, which tells you about the Steelers' defensive troubles.

The Steelers have enough talent to make a run in the playoffs. They just don't have the coaching and discipline to take advantage of it.

 

As big of a problem as Tomlin is, Colbert has missed on a lot of high picks and screwed around with Bell so long we couldn't sign any impact FAs.

 

They played good enough to win that game, Tomlins bonehead call, 3rd down and 20 conversion, the 2 fumbles, and the refs BS PI calls prevented that from happening.

 

The third-and-20 conversion and the fumbles are part of being outplayed. The bad play calls are part of being outcoached.

 

You are only pointing out one advantage on each team. Drew brees is a better qb than ben. Saints also have two better RBS. I'll give you the chiefs with hunt. Although, damien William's has been a beast with them BY THE NUMBERS which is what a lot of people here just go off of. Also from what I've seen MOSTLY from everyone they like to use the current year or last year you played as to judge the player you are so therefore mahomes was better than ben this yr and it wasnt even close. Receivers pitt gets the edge as they have 2 good ones although tyreek this year was an elite top 5 wr. Kc gets the edge by far at TE. I give them the nod. Let's go chargers. This year rivers was better than ben. They have the edge at rb. Tight end is meh. Receivers we get the edge although mike William's is coming of age as of late. The defenses arent even comparable with San Diego idk if a player on our defense except maybe watt and possibly Heyward would start on their defense. Also I said all three phases as well. Our kicking and punting game this yr has been TERRIBLE.

Let's go to the cowboys. Defense is no contest. The gap from our defense and their defense is far greater than the gap between our offense and their offense. Their offense does at least have two elite all pro level guys in Zeke and amari(he'sbeen a top 5 reciever based on NUMBERS since he's been in dallas). Ben is a better qb than dak but they do still have multiple pro bowlers on the oline. They have a good special teams and for what they like to do which is play defense and run the ball they have all the tools and components to do that succesfully.

Chicago. Ben was better than trubisky by far. I dont think offense really compares here except maybe the running back tandem that they have. Trey burton is a really good tight end he may would start for us. But their defense is in another league of ours. No need to even talk about that. Special teams they get the nod too. Plus I got to mention nagy he's my coach of the year.

Rams. Goff based on NUMBERS this year was better than ben. Gurley we dont even need to talk about that it isnt even a conversation. We have the edge easily in receivers. Tight end meh. Defense there's has been decent it definitely underperformed but I'd still take theirs without question over ours for the single fact they have the best defensive player in the nfl by far. They also have some other guys that can make plays like talib and Peters. Special teams they are far better in the kicker and punter department. They probably have the best special teams unit in the league.

Vikings. Ben was better than "kurt" cousins. Receivers is arguable. Tight end I give them the edge with Rudolph. Oline we get the edge. Running back is a wash. I give us the slight edge on offense due to Ben. Their defense who vastly underachieved still was ranked number 1 on 3rd down efficiency and I believe is still top 10 in points and yards. Dont quote me on that as I havent checked in weeks but still they have the far better defense. Harrison smith, rhodes, linval joseph, Barr, kendricks, griffen are all better than anyone on our defense except watt. They could surprise some people.

Bmore the offense isnt even a discussion we have them easily. But also the defense isnt a discussion as they have us easily. Special teams they get the nod and most likely because Harbaugh was a special teams coach before he became a head coach lol.

But I want to know what was your metric in saying ben was better than Goff this yr.

 

You said those teams were better in all three phases. That statement was incorrect. That is why I pointed out areas where the Steelers are better than those teams.

Perhaps it was just your unclear phrasing rather than your opinion that was the issue.

 

Talent can be found on both sides of the ball without depicted. Other wise depict.

 

Oh ok yeah I meant as in a overall team when you combine all 3 phrases they were better. I do also acknowledge that our offense was top level and one of the best. Unless you have a qb playing at the level of mahomes you went going any where with just a good offense and bad defense.

 

The Pats every year have average to below average defensive talent. But somehow they get it done and not just because of that one dude on offense I forget his name. Most of the time their D is prepared.

 

The fumbles are individual mistakes, it has nothing to do with being outplayed,.... as for the 3rd and 20 having a guy wideopen with 4 defenders standing behind him in the endzone is the idiot Butler's idea of not playing man. Nothing to do with being outplayed.

 

As I said in another thread, it would not surprise me if Pittsburgh elects to acquire a pass rusher Round One. For that matter, someone like Jachai Polite. He is the quintessential 3-4 Outside 'Backer who can terrorize opposing Offensive Tackles.



He and Watt would strike fear into the AFC; AFC North no less in my opinion. If not Polite, please give Ola a chance. Like seriously, it will be year two for him. Give him a shot if the pass rushing option is not on the table.