All you pass happy people happy?

We told you everybody should treat the fluke win against the Jags as a loss and try to improve. What do they do? Trot out the same gameplan against the 27th ranked rush defense. Ben is 3-7 when attempting 50+ passes.





It's not winning football anyway you slice it! I think it's messing with Conners confidence as well. He's not in rhythm because he's not involved!

Anybody remember when the Steelers had the highest redzone % when Conner was pounding touchdowns in? No, lets run a RPO. Something we never do and oh yeah, there was no threat of run because we didn't run the ball all game. Idiots! I don't know who to blame. Is Ben on a power trip trying to pad his stats or Fitchner? I think it's Ben.

 

It's Mike Tomlin man what do u expect.. The exact opposite of what they should do is usually what they do

 

Take away the blocked field goal and the STUPID Grimble fumble and the game plan was fine.

 

I agree with this for the most part. It was more of an execution problem than coaching... that is, until the 2 minute warning. Play calling could have been much better at that point.

 

It is mind boggling. Usually a team that throws over 50 times a game does so because they are playing from behind. The Steelers are doing so for no particular reason. I agree that it is affecting Conner's confidence, and his rhythm as well.

I am beginning to wonder if JC has been careless with the ball in practice. Maybe the coaches are worried enough about Conner's lack of ball security that they want to limit his touches. For whatever reason it really seems like the Steelers coaching staff has lost faith in Conner. Something funny is going on here. His usage has been puzzling going back to the Carolina game.

I really hate to suggest this. But I really hope James Conner is healthy. If JC is once again battling health issues, that would explain why his usage and play has dropped off so much. Hopefully just a reach, but the thought crossed my mind.

 

I agree with you, but I also think something is up with Conner. Perhaps hitting a wall, I don't know - but his head hasn't been right since the concussion.

Although, the ability of this team to strike quick with passes is what will make/break us this year. I just don't see us successfully going up against the Saints and running the ball 30 times, while they put up 45 on our D.

 

I'm also thinking that JC is just trying too hard. He's trying to prove to everyone, including himself, that he's the answer to no Bell. He wants to be *that* one player who can turn the game around, and that was obvious with his open-field fumble yesterday. He's an important piece, but pressing too hard leads to mistakes. And that leads to lower self-confidence, which breeds more mistakes. Wash, rinse, repeat.

 

Concur with Blast. Why Tomlin would even think of an RPO, with one timeout remaining, is beyond me.


Within that same vein however, Ben did say he was more trusting of the pass option than he was of James Conner at the time in the interview after the game.



Be that as it may, should we lose big time in the playoffs again, I personally will be DONE with Tomlin.

 

A balanced run/pass offense is a good one.
A balanced spreading the ball around run/pass offense is a great one.
A balanced spreading the ball around run/pass offense refraining from forcing it to AB is a legendary one.

 

I've been critical of Tomlin but are you sure he even had anything to do with that? Wouldn't it be Fitch or Ben? I think you answered that with Ben's comments. I've never turned on Ben but I was ready to last years playoffs against the Jags then they dropped 42 but he also handed them 2-3 tds. Then I got frustrated two weekends ago. I've defended him tooth and nail but I'm starting to realize Ben is the problem. I'm not saying Dobbs or Rudolph would be any better. But we go as far as Ben can take us. He's either getting the praise or blame imo.

 

I think Conner had 4.1 yards per carry. The game was never more than 1 score ahead. How do they not run the ball more.

 

It's hard to argue with a gameplan that enabled us to move the ball up and down the field all day at will. The only thing stopping us from scoring a lot more points where the unforced mistakes. You can't gameplan for stupid mistakes. The way I see it is the teams with good secondaries are going to load up to stop the run and dare us to pass. Conner wasn't having much success besides a couple of runs to the left. That being said I think they definitely screwed up at the end by not trying to run it in using a power formation. We could also have easily run PA off of that. With Ben at QB we will never be a run to set up the pass O. We will always pass to set up the run and our success this year from the run has mostly been based off that philosophy.

The problem is the mental mistakes this team continues to make year in and year out. Those mistakes are what keeps inferior teams close in games leading to unpredictable results. I know most games can be looked at the difference being a play or two. Most games come down to the final quarter or the final drive but so many of ours come down to a final play. That's what happens when you continually make mental errors. Games that should of already been decided aren't and that's when the hindsight and second guessing begins. Every game shouldn't come down to your QB having to make a play at the end especially with Ben and his mentality. It's not always gonna turn out good.

I think the coaches did a good job up until the end. They had a chance to put the players in a better position to succeed and they failed....The problem is late in games over the past few years the panic,confusion and uncertainty in crucial situations seems to be the norm. Tough to consistently win important games like that.

 

If the players had simply avoided the boneheaded mistakes we beat the Broncos easily with the exact same gameplan.

 

Agree, but we could of still won it with a different game plan at the goal line. We are not a team that throws fades in the end zone and that last stupid play when he faked the hand off and threw an interception. Go big and power it in at that point, it's less risky with better results. It's tight window with small receivers and Ben has a tendency to rush it down there.

 

The percentages on that final play had to have been horrible. Everyone tight in on the formation crowded in the end zone just flirting with disaster by making that throw. I'd have rather they tried the pick plays they had been working on. Bunch to one side with Grimble and James in front driving towards the middle with Juju slanting hard towards the sticks. Sell the run with Conner and throw to his outside shoulder where only he can get it. AB would be the backup if the Broncos blew it up. Have him sell inside hard then out towards the edge of the endzone.

 

You're both right. We should of won either way....

 

There are a hundred of things they could of done that would of had a higher percentage of success but like I alluded to in another post panic and confusion seem to be the norm and not smarts and execution.....sigh.

 

A lot of fans will be done with Tomlin but I think we all can agree the only way he leaves the Burgh is if he retires from football. I have a strange hunch that Ben retiring will lead to Tomlin retiring. When this happens is anybody's guess. My guess is within the next 2 years.

 

If you go back over Ben R. career if he throws more than 38 times a game,
the Steelers winning percentage goes WAY DOWN. Can't turn the ball over 4 times either.

 

The scary part is if he ever realized that moving the chains and scoring points to win the game were more worthwhile than a few highlight reel throws and catches, this team could be unstoppable. As it is they waste chances shrugging them off as we can make 97 yards plays anytime we want.

 

I hate fades. They give you one shot and everything has to be perfect.

 

That’s like, your opinion man, lol

I bet Tomlin stays a bit longer than two years. It’s not a Brady/Billacheat situation where Bill is in his 60s. Tomlin is still a young man. He has a credible record but needs more time. Cowher had 149 wins. I don’t see Tomlin leaving before he has 150.

Tomlin is 123-63-1 with 1 ring

Also, look around the league

Hairball, there’s talk of him being fired. I don’t believe it, but it makes you wonder how long Bmore holds on if he continues to not make the playoffs.


Mike McCarthy - with 125 wins and 1 ring he is closest to Tomlin’s stats. His job appears to be on the hot seat.

Sean Payton 115-72, less of a winning percentage but also a ring.

Pete Carroll 118-84-1, one ring

Tom Coughlin 170-150, 2 rings

Tony Dungy 139-69, 1 ring

Being a young man, Tomlin won’t make the hall of fame for a long time, if ever. But should he win 50+ games and another championship, he will be a lock IMHO. What he needs is separation from his contemporaries. Other than Billicheat, he has a higher winning percentage than those still coaching I shared records of.

Two additional stats:
Andy Reid 192-122-1
Chuck Noll 193-148-1
Rings matter

 

I doubt Tomlin is involved with a call like that, that RPO is probably Ben and Fichtner.

 

That was a low percentage play, that fade to JuJu was way off .