Need Haden back for the playoffs

Kreighoff · Dec 2, 2017

aces4me said: ↑

The REAL key to shutting down Brady is to be able to apply pressure up the middle without blitzing. Edge rushers don't bother him much and blitzing him is the primary ingredient to a major ass beating by the Pats. Pressure up the middle with your base D. Giants did it, ravens and Broncos used to do it.
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I agree inside pressure rattles him more than pressure from outside. I think we would need a great game from all three down linemen as well as some well timed delayed blitz's. I'd love to see something completely different like some use of a 4 3. Might be able to stuff their run game and get some inside push.

HeinzMustard · Dec 4, 2017

Kreighoff said: ↑

I agree inside pressure rattles him more than pressure from outside. I think we would need a great game from all three down linemen as well as some well timed delayed blitz's. I'd love to see something completely different like some use of a 4 3. Might be able to stuff their run game and get some inside push.
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Steelers could do it. Heyward - Alualu - Hargrave - Tuit on Dline. Watt - Shazier - Dupree at LB.

HeinzMustard · Dec 4, 2017

Steel_Elvis said: ↑

I know that the Tebow game is a shiny happy moment for the Tomlin haters, but there was more to that game than just the failed game plan that disrespected Tebow's passing ability. Ben had a high ankle sprain in Week 14, that was aggravated in Week 17 (and it showed big-time). Mendenhall tore his ACL in Week 17, so we lost our starting RB. Pouncey was injured and missed the game, and his backup Legursky was injured during the game. Ryan Clark missed the game due to concerns about his sickle cell trait at high altitude. We also lost Keisel, Hampton and Maxs Starks during the game. I know that some folks love to pretend that injuries never happened if it suits their agenda, but injuries DO matter, and we were utterly battered for that game. The second thing that the Tomlin haters like to ignore all the time is that the other guys get paid too. Sometimes it's not just that we underperform, it's also that the other guys do their jobs and sometimes play over their heads. Tebow made the throws that night that he failed to make for the entire season. He flat-out played the game of his life, and that was by far the biggest factor in the game. Was disrespecting Tebow a good game plan? I don't know. In hindsight it's easy to say that it poor game planning, but at the time it made sense to stack the box against a QB who - prior to that game - couldn't hit the broad side of a barn, but could move the chains with his legs. I'm not absolving Tomlin, but there was so much more to losing that game than just a less-then-stellar coaching moment.
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For the record, I'm not a Tomlin-hater. Being a critic and being a hater are two totally different things. The haters are obvious and I'm not one of them. The Tomlin haters "hate" Tomlin in the same manner they hated the USA's previous president. That's a topic for another discussion and is not football or Steelers related.

I'm a critic of Tomlin, just as I was a critic of Cowher when he was HC. Both had their faults. Examples: Cowher would play turtle/Marty/conservative football, instead of going for "the kill shot" and this would enrage me. Tomlin has never been guilty of this and I applaud him for it. Cowher choked in several more AFC Championship games than Tomlin has... but the jury is still out on that, since Tomlin hasn't been HC as long as Cowher was yet.

Tomlin's record against sub .500 teams on the road has been well documented here. I need not go into specifics on that topic. Tomlin's futility against Belichick and the Patriots is nerve-wracking with the talent he has on hand. Cowher had much more success against Belichick than Tomlin... counting Belichick's Cleveland years.

funkysteelersfan · Dec 4, 2017

MadtownDruankard said: ↑

We tried playing man plenty tonight with no Haden. We made their QB look like Brady. Funny thing it was because of missed tackles and blown coverage's 90% mental errors. I don't agree about NE. I think we can beat NE if we can consistently put Brady on the turf. This has always been the key to beating NE. This is also why few teams beat NE. Few teams are ever able to consistently knock Brady around. They run screens better than anyone...and Brady uses his check downs better than anyone. Seems to me if you can physically jam their WR's at the LOS and pressure Brady you'll beat them. We drafted Burns for this very reason. Haden can also play physical but he's not coming back till the playoffs so forget about it.
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Gotta agree with this... the Giants beat them twice in the super bowl that way.

harristotle · Dec 4, 2017

HeinzMustard said: ↑

For the record, I'm not a Tomlin-hater. Being a critic and being a hater are two totally different things. The haters are obvious and I'm not one of them. The Tomlin haters "hate" Tomlin in the same manner they hated the USA's previous president. That's a topic for another discussion and is not football or Steelers related.

I'm a critic of Tomlin, just as I was a critic of Cowher when he was HC. Both had their faults. Examples: Cowher would play turtle/Marty/conservative football, instead of going for "the kill shot" and this would enrage me. Tomlin has never been guilty of this and I applaud him for it. Cowher choked in several more AFC Championship games than Tomlin has... but the jury is still out on that, since Tomlin hasn't been HC as long as Cowher was yet.

Tomlin's record against sub .500 teams on the road has been well documented here. I need not go into specifics on that topic. Tomlin's futility against Belichick and the Patriots is nerve-wracking with the talent he has on hand. Cowher had much more success against Belichick than Tomlin... counting Belichick's Cleveland years.
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It's nice how you worked that politically charged jab in, then pretend to take the high road. Classy.

HeinzMustard · Dec 4, 2017

harristotle said: ↑

It's nice how you worked that politically charged jab in, then pretend to take the high road. Classy.
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Well, it's the truth... whether you like it or not.

harristotle · Dec 4, 2017

HeinzMustard said: ↑

Well, it's the truth... whether you like it or not.
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There's more of that tolerant open minded thinking.

Steel_Elvis · Dec 4, 2017

HeinzMustard said: ↑

For the record, I'm not a Tomlin-hater. Being a critic and being a hater are two totally different things. The haters are obvious and I'm not one of them. The Tomlin haters "hate" Tomlin in the same manner they hated the USA's previous president. That's a topic for another discussion and is not football or Steelers related.

I'm a critic of Tomlin, just as I was a critic of Cowher when he was HC. Both had their faults. Examples: Cowher would play turtle/Marty/conservative football, instead of going for "the kill shot" and this would enrage me. Tomlin has never been guilty of this and I applaud him for it. Cowher choked in several more AFC Championship games than Tomlin has... but the jury is still out on that, since Tomlin hasn't been HC as long as Cowher was yet.

Tomlin's record against sub .500 teams on the road has been well documented here. I need not go into specifics on that topic. Tomlin's futility against Belichick and the Patriots is nerve-wracking with the talent he has on hand. Cowher had much more success against Belichick than Tomlin... counting Belichick's Cleveland years.
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I have a fair amount of disagreement with much of what you’ve said, but since I’m on my phone I’ll limit it to one item: Cowher’s record vs Belichick as coach of the Pats was not good either. Counting Bellichick’s tenure in Cleveland in Cowher’s favor is silly. First, Belichick was a young coach starting out with a lousy team. Second, Belichick didn’t have one of the best QBs of all time. Third - and most importantly- Bellechick hadn’t yet opened up his vein to provide ink to sign his contract with the devil.

The reality is that you’re not going to find a coach with a good long-run record vs Bellechick as the Pats’ coach other than Tom Coughlin’s very limited matchups. I hate it, but the situation is what it is. If consistent performance vs Bellechick over several meetings is the measuring stick there’s no coach out there who will measure up. There are occasional 1 season flashes, but nobody has measured up to that standard. I hate to say it, but John Harbaugh probably comes the closest to breakeven.

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