How much influence will Mike Tomlin have over the OC hiring?

It appears that MT was fully behind retaining Arians and the Front Office stepped in to say enough is enough.

This leads me to the question of will the Rooneys give much of a thought to the recommendations from Mike Tomlin? Or will the Rooneys find somebody with minimum considerations from the Coach?

Personnally I hope they go outside the organization and get a strict character to make Ben be more grounded. More or less, I want Ben to have a coach and not necessarily a friend.

I watched the Saints MNF game this year and they showed Sean Peyton, Drew Brees and the OC all going over the playbook deciphering which plays will work best against that particular defense and tossing the ones they didn't like and then they all had to pass a test that they prepared to make sure that they were on the same page.

Somehow I really doubt that Ben and Arians ever went to this extreme. Maybe they did but they don't look at many gametime pictures to the extent that other NFL QB's and Coordinators do nor make many adjustments.

 

Re: How much influence will Mike Tomlin have over the OC hir

We don't know what Tomlin really believes and what he says. He said Bryant McFadden had a hamstring injury like 6 weeks after it had healed, IF he ever had one at all. It's politics.

He will have major input in the hiring decision. I'm sure they will ask him about their candidates and how he would work with them, what kind of offense he'd like, etc. It could be different for different guys. I'm sure they will genuinely consider Mike, because he isn't going anywhere as coach for a long time. But Colbert and Rooney are deciding.

 

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I agree, Coach will have input but not the final say. As was posted in a different thread, I think Tomlin is on a much shorter leash now. A clue may come in the form of the news conference. If Art II or Colbert are present along with Tomlin, it was their call. If Tomlin does the intro solo, he may have had more say in the decision. It will be interesting to find out!

 

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And what will it mean when it's revealed in a Jason La Confora or Adam Schefter tweet????

 

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You never know. Colbert could have been the driving force behind getting rid of Arians, not so much the Rooney's?

If that is the case...Colbert and Tomlin together are in charge of hiring, Tomlin can make his pick, but doesn't Colbert have to have ultimate sign off????

 

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I would yes when it comes to player personnel, but I believe the assistant coaches / coordinators work for Tomlin. That would be my assumption.

 

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Colbert was originally just player personnel guy, but he recently got the full GM promotion a year or two ago...he may have a say?

 

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Colbert was originally just player personnel guy, but he recently got the full GM promotion a year or two ago...he may have a say?[/quote:i9yiwou6]
You may be right. If it winds up true that Colbert had a say in an assistant coach's status, then that would be even more concerning about our HC. Of course it's speculation, but I'm really starting to wonder about how engaged MT is and who is really in charge of what is happening on the field.

 

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I would agree with ya Knox. I pulled this little excerpt from a PPG article talking about BA's departure. Everyone of course assumes Rooney made the decision and if that's true it seems like Rooney didn't want the public to view it that way.

On Friday morning, before the team announced Arians' retirement, Rooney went on radio station WDVE and said that whatever happened with Arians is "really Mike's decision," referring to Tomlin. "It's that time of year we do the coaches' contract for those who don't have a contract and sometimes we extend contracts," Rooney said. "Mike's involved in those conversations with all his coaches."
Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/12021/12 ... z1kQQliAwn

 

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I don't think Mike Tomlin has much say about anything?

 

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I could see it playing out that way.

 

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he must have some input to be able to promise the job to kirby wilson before the fire. not to sound racist by any means, and no intention to offend anyone, but we have had 5 black BU qb's and a promise to a black coach with no expierience as and OC to be the next inline for the job. i think he might want ben out as well as BA for that matter and want a philly style offense put in place as mike vick runs. he hired scottie montgomery to be the new wr coach. he's a young black coach that doesn't have much expierience either. then the qb's. then wilson promised. i think MT likes this, just like he was young black man with no expierience when he was hired as the headcoach. this could be his way of putting his stamp on this team as alot of people have grummbled about. we will also have to hire a new RB coach at some point. our drafts have been all black players, and maybe he thinks these younger black coaches can relate better with our new players. this could be his hesitation from naming fichtner for the job. MT may have a better comfort level with these coaches as opposed to older guys he has in place that are 10-20-30-years his senior. hue jackson just might be the guy.

 

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I don't see any logic in this argument. You might as well say all the guys Tomlin has hired and drafted have a habit of wearing hats.

 

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Yeah, I see this post ending very badly

Going to make my way to the fire exit as quickly as I can [/quote:gxbjc95m]
why , i don't understand why this would offend anyone. why wouldn't a young head coach want to surround himself with younger coaches he and his players could relate better to? it seems very logical to me.

 

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Yeah, I see this post ending very badly

Going to make my way to the fire exit as quickly as I can [/quote:ocnsfe1d]
why , i don't understand why this would offend anyone. why wouldn't a young head coach want to surround himself with younger coaches he and his players could relate better to? it seems very logical to me. [/quote:ocnsfe1d]

Just trying to inject some levity into it Mac, this could ruffle feathers, hopefully people will see you meant no harm by it [/quote:ocnsfe1d]
don't look at just the color issue of what i said. it is pertenant to it overall though, but even on my staff, if i had a 60 yr. old and 70 yr. old OC and DC and i was 30 something, i would have a hard time telling them what i wanted done. same may go for the players. they may see me as weak compared to these coaches. if they come in closer to my age, i would have a better comfort level in my decisions. the black coaches relating to the black players has been talked about for years in the league. it's not something new.

 

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I dont think race has anything to do with it. Wilson is a very good coach and earned the right to be next in line.

 

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how so with no track record at doing the job?

 

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Yeah I am a bit concerned the job was promised to Wilson given that he has only been a RB coach everywhere he has went. Between Wilson and Fitchner I have to go with Fitchner hands down due to his experience in the college level calling plays.

 

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I hear what you're saying about some of Tomlin's choices daddyo, but how do you explain Dick Le beau (72 yr old white guy of French ancestry) keeping his job this far into Tomlin's career? I honestly think if our ownership caught a whiff of any favoritism, especially of the kind you are referring to, that would be the end of it, with a few heads lost in the process.

 

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he's successful and the rooney's won't allow him to go anywhere to start with. MT doesn't tell him how to run the defense and would find it hard to tell him what to do with his success. just the point i am making about older established coaches. MT right now is probebly intimidated to some extent by these older established, successful coaches and would have a much harder time telling them anything. MT knows DLB can't stay forever at his age and is a guy he can learn from. until the time comes he will pick his brain. why wouldn't he? don't read more into it then what i'm saying. i never said MT is going to dump all the old white coaches and is showing racist favoritism. i just think as a young HC he prefers younger assistants around him down the road. MT is still learning the HC position. the more he learns from these older coaches the better he'll be able to hire when the time comes and as a black coach with mostly black players he does feel they relate better. this has nothing to do with one race being smarter or better then the other. it's about MT's thoughts and feelings about making this team successful and his comfort level with the coaches he has to coach his team with. his stamp. i'm sure he's heard all the cowhers players crap before. he can't put his stamp on this team in just 5 years, it takes time. the rooney's allow their coaches time to do this. they know he's young. they won't however let things get away from them overall.

 

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I get the point about filling the team with younger coaches, his stamp, etc. I just don't see where a) evidence for the in-depth account of MT's thoughts and feelings come from and b) where the race part comes in.

Sift out the unnecessary parts and you've got a point.

 

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if you read my first quote about it, i said he was given the chance as a young blackman with no expierience for a head coaching job. he is continuing that sentiment with his staff. carnell,montgomery,goodwin,horton,and wilson as a promised OC. there is some expierience there but not a ton. i just think he likes to do this as his way of giving guys a shot like was given him. in turn they may have a better feel for the black players that he brings in. it's not meant to be a downplay or degrading by any stretch. we may have two positions to fill also down the road , with a RB coach and possibly a qb coach or OC. it just wouldn't suprise me if he went with younger black coaches.