Higher in the all-time list:Brees vs Ben?

Same comparison as Roethlisberger<=>Rodgers.

Roethlisberger - run around and find an open spot, I'll get it to you
Brees - your in-break timing needs to be on point

 

Rodgers was also great to extend play when he was younger...So often he had a first down with his legs on 3rd down and 9 when the opposing defense had great coverage on his receiver.It was so frustrating for the opposing defense!

 

Aaron Rodgers and Big Ben don't belong in the same sentence. Aaron Rodgers is easily a Top 10 QB All Time in the 100+ years of NFL History. Big Ben isn't.

 

its all about media perception. If the media likes you and your a good interview, like Brees or Manning, they’ll hype you up, give you commercial opportunities, etc. If your like Ben, not so much.

 

Ben was never drafted by a team, and then the team drafted another Qb higher because they didn't believe in him, Brees was, and before people say it was because Brees was hurt, you are incorrect. Brees was injured after they had already drafted P. Rivers.

 

Those pictures are a little unfair to Ben.

Ben has his head turned to see all the glory of that look he was rocking.

Brees had that straight on shot that hides the small squirrel attached to his cheek.

The officials have screwed Ben once again. I'm going to appeal the league!

 

Except Big Ben doesn't even remotely compare to Aaron in terms of achievements. Again, we are comparing player vs player. Super Bowls help but that isn't the end all, be all.


Aaron was universally a Top 3 QB of his generation for a long period in his career. Big Ben never was sans one season. They are not even remotely the same.


Aaron can be argued for Top 10 All Time. Big Ben cannot.

 

Tom Brady won 7 SB's and the worst defense he won with was ranked 8th in the league. Multiple times won with the #1 defense. Nobody tries to take that away from Brady... why take it from Ben? Yes, Brees won it with a below average defense (which is impressive). But there is a reason why teams with bad defenses generally don't win.

 

I would also agree with this assessment. Purely with the accolades and personal achievement, Rodgers was better. SB's matter, but they aren't everything. Trent Dilfer isn't better than Dan Marino. However, I think Ben is close-ish to Arod. Ben is arguably top 15 and Rodgers is arguably top 10 (and probably pretty safe top 10 to me).

 

Even if the saints defense were below average in 2009 in yards and PPG,they were still elite for the turnovers and one of the best 4th quarter defense in the league that year.They were also very good on 3rd down

 

If i recall Brees dislocated his shoulder on a Qb sneak, Rivers took over and never looked back

 

I take a lot away from Brady and the cheaters.

 

“I remember thinking to myself, this is definitely the last time I put on a Charger uniform,” Brees said on WFAN Sports Radio. “I knew there were some people in the building that just weren’t convinced that I was the guy, and they drafted Phillip [Rivers] and had a lot of draft capital there and wanted to see him play. There was the other half of the building that did, but this [shoulder injury] was kind of a convenient excuse. But then I started thinking, you know, ‘This could be the end of my career.'”

 

Sometimes a QB can take a few years before to become great.Brees had a rough 2003 season but he was great after that for the rest of his career

 

Big Ben doesn't possess any All Pros nor MVP Votes. Drew Brees does; 24.5 total MVP votes to his credit along with being a five time All Pro. Among the two, Drew Brees can easily be argued Top 15 All Time. As you and I agree, individual achievements outweigh team success when debating player vs player.


Brees was a Top 3 QB of his generation. Again, Big Ben never was sans one season. I hate sounding like a broken record player but in order to approach the Top 15 QBs ever, you needed to be truly dominant for a long period of time.


In short?! Big Ben never showcased sustained donimance. Drew Brees consistently did.

 

Ben was better imo. Could take hits, better att making a play after things break down: could buy time. Stronger arm, just as accurate.

its like comparing Bob Griese and John Elway. Both are very good but im going with Elway.

 

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Without John Elway, those Broncos teams in the 80s are a complete laughing stock. As you have indirecly implied, Elway truly lived up to his generational moniker. Bob Griese was great but no where near Elway.

As for comparing Big Ben to Elway and Drew to Bob?! Drew is far superior to Griese as Elway is far superior to Big Ben.

 

im going to disagree, Griese and Brees are in the same category. Multiple pro bowl appearances, 8 versus what 10? So what. Griese has three trophies under his belt, Brees has one. Elway and Ben are very similar as well. If you want to say Elway is far superior thats fine, but that your opinion. I think prime Ben and prime Elway are very similar and more or less the same. The Steelers are stuck at 4 SB’s without Ben and Cowher and Tomlin are after thoughts as coaches without him.

 

Brees played in a pass happy offense in a dome too and in a weak division.

 

But Rivers was drafted in the 1st round before that

 

Rivers was drafted in 2004, Brees injury was December 2005.

 

Believe it was during a fumble, or something like that