Higher in the all-time list:Brees vs Ben?

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I would take Ben over Brees but that guy Dameshek is a Steelers fan.

 

I would take Ben too. He's been to 3 Superbowls compared to one for Brees. Ben had to play twice a year against Ray Lewis, Suggs and company while Brees got to play against the NFC south. Brees played in a dome and in mostly warm weather while Ben battled the cold, sleet, snow and rain in the AFC North.

 

Brees has had years where he only played 2 games outside.
Ben is clearly the better Qb.
Hell every Tomlin sucks , and Sean Peyton is a genius guy should say this.

 

Give me Brees.

Super Bowls aren't just a QB only stat.

Brees has far more accolades and is the more accomplished of the two.

 

Well - Ben never had a losing season as the starting Quarterback. Funny no one mentions that.

 

Ben was the better QB, and not just because I'm a Steelers fan.

 

This is actually hard.
Ben is a 2-time Super Bowl winner in 3 appearances (should have had 3 wins)
And Ben has provided many highlights for the Steelers.

But Brees was so pinpoint accurate.
His missed passes, probably 50 or 60% of them were the receivers fault.
But he has 1 Super Bowl win.
My god, he has 80K yrds, a 67 wait, make that 68% completion percentage..
Against Brees, you could NOT rest on a 15 point lead with 2 minutes to go.

I'll take Ben. His highlight reels week after week consisted of some DT hanging off him while he tosses 1 of many TD passes, are insane.
So many clutch passes....

 

I am biased obviously, but I agree with this take. They're wildly different players as Brees was a pocket passer that had limited physical ability, so he relied on his reads, quick to intermediate passing, and his accuracy to become a great player. Ben had a lot of physical talent (big arm, size), but was more of a down field QB who would put himself in danger by holding onto the ball and "free wheeling" in order to fish for big plays. Both are relevant playstyles and both were great at what they did. They're hard to compare really, but I'd take Ben. I've said before I think Ben is a borderline top 10 QB of all time. He's certainly one of the most unique players at the position.

 

I think there's an element of "you had to be there" with Ben. The stats are just okay for the first five years or so. 6 pro bowls, no all-pro nods, was never really a factor in the MVP race. But all of that misses the intangibles and big time plays that he brought to the table. In a tight game, late in the 4th quarter, not sure if I'd take anyone over Ben, especially in those first 5-6 years. Need a play, he'd go get it for you. Pro Football Reference can't tell that story.

The 3rd and 28 conversion in SB XL is forever etched into my memory. And the TD on the QB keeper to end that drive. Obviously there's the Santonio TD in XLIII. The TD to Mike Wallace at the buzzer against GB in 2009.

Granted, Brees probably has a million clutch plays as well.

I remember in the Requiem for the Big East 30 for 30, talking Syracuse/Georgetown, Boeheim basically said there are other rivalries out there but this is my rivalry. I feel similarly about Ben. Who cares about the rankings. Ben is my QB.

 

Roethlisberger never played in a SB without a top 5 defense. Brees did. Brees was also robbed of a second SB.

 

So again, when debating Players, regardless of position, individual achievements matter more. Super Bowls help but the Super Bowl isn't won by one person. Takes the whole team.


Big Ben was Top 3 in his generation once, 2014. Even then, he didnt earn a single All Pro. Brees was countless times. Brees owns more NFL records and possesses more All Pro Awards.


In short?! Compare the players by their own standings and not outside factors. Brees was categorically a Top 3 QB during the prime of his career. Big Ben was not.


Hot Take: Big Ben was never the best Steeler during his Super Bowl years either.


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Year has been updated to 2014. 2011 wasnt his best. Special thanks to @Steelersfan43 for catching this!

 

First, I agree that Brees was unlucky... I think you're talking about 2018, but the Saints were also unlucky in 2011 and 2017.

But the Saints and the Steelers had completely different philosophies, especially in Super Bowl years for the Steelers.

The Steelers wanted to win games defensively and by running the ball very well (they were very good at it in 2004-2005, but in 2008, the Steelers had a terrible running game), and Ben needed to be clutch and make big plays, and he was great at that. When the Steelers had a big lead in 2004 and 2005, it was cowherball after that, and it often happened that the Steelers played that style since they were the best team in the first quarter offensively in those years if you look at the number of points.

But in terms of stats, fantasy numbers, Pittsburgh was possibly one of the worst places to have big numbers, but to win, it was an excellent environment, and Ben was a big part of that... Brees was in a similar situation in 2004 and 2005 with the chargers under Marty Ball... Brees was very good, but he didn't have the numbers they would have with the Saints under Payton since it was a complete different style

Overall, Ben had a better defense in the Super Bowl years, but Brees was in a better position to have big numbers when he was with the Saints because he was in a dome. Sean Payton was great and he was a offensive coach, and the NFC South wasn't as tough as the AFC North for the defenses! And yes the Steelers had a great defense in 2008, but they possibly had the worst offensive line ever to win the Super Bowl, and they almost pulled it off again two years later!

I have no problem if you think Brees was better, but they were in completely different situations. Ben was capable of putting up big numbers in the killer B era, but Bell wasn't always available in the playoffs, AB missed a playoff game, Bryant was an idiot, and our defense wasn't good when Shazier and an older Harrison weren't dominant,so it was hard to win...Same thing for Brees in 2014 to 2016 when their defense were hot garbage

 

2011?....2011 was a down year for Ben,not a top 10 season in the Roethlisberger career....He was better in 2004,2005,2007,2009,2010,2013-2018.Of course his ankle sprain was a huge factor why but 2011 was a down year for him

 

My mistake.


Meant to say 2014.

 

and drew allar is better than both.

 

YEP!!

New GOAT incoming!

 

Ben definitely wore the greasy mullet better. I have to give BR the nod here.

 

Now which one of them looks intelligent and which one didn’t understand the question

 

Depends on what you're looking for in your QB. One was more of the cerebral, pinpoint accuracy pass first type. The other could win a game for you with a broken nose and sheer will. Both were great in their time. Give both the credit they deserve.

 

Roethlisberger > Brees