DC Patrick Graham understands The Standard

So again. You are telling me yards are more important than how many points you give up ?
Tell me how points given up, sacks, and forced turnovers are cherry picked stats on the Defense.
You know I can only find one thing that all top 7 teams had on Defense that everyone of them had a winning season, and made the playoffs, and that is turnovers. All top 7 including us had a winning season, and made the playoffs.
That would be like saying TDs thrown by a Qb is a cherry picked stat. LoL

 

i just hope they don't go back to the standard that was.

 

This so true, turnovers are the key in the modern NFL. You just cant shutdown opposing offenses week in and week out, they are too good. The Steelers havent really been suffering from bad defense, eventhough I think Austin was a terrible in-game coordinator. They really suffered because our offense has not been able to consistently stay on the field.

 

Are you aware you can poke on the headers and it will sort accordingly

PTS/G for example which is the only important stat

They are 17th

 

Ok, I get that, but You tell me honestly, and truthfully which is more important on D for winning... the less yards the Raiders gave up, or the less points, more sacks, and more turnovers that we got. Be honest.

 

Did you ever notice wins and losses on the season are based on points

One stat

 

And you can't be terrible at getting off the field.

Games are usually won on a small number of very impactful plays.

But only if games are close enough for those small number of plays to matter.

If you can't stop teams on 3rd and 4th down (and I'd argue each one of those 4th down conversions is impactful), then the game won't be close.

Or (as was the case against the Pats and the Colts) you need a large number of turnovers to just win by one score. And even the best defenses can't count on getting 4+ turnovers consistently. My guess is that doing it twice is pretty rare...and we needed both of those wins.

Note: If we would have lost those games (especially the Pats game), I would have blamed the offense. If you can only score 21 and 27 points when you get 5 and 6 turnovers...well, it's your offenses fault.

 

In single games, turnovers are going to be the most important thing (2nd to points and of similar importance to explosive plays).

Across a season, turnovers are still going to be more important as long as you aren't terrible at getting off the field.

When you are terrible at getting off the field, that's really bad.

You can tell the impact of this because we were a (slightly) below average defense by points despite being excellent at generating turnovers (4th). WHY? Because we sucked at actually stopping teams (28th in yards because we really sucked on 3rd down...and we were even worse on 4th down).

I don't understand how you can keep arguing that it doesn't matter that we were brutal at getting off the field. If we were just average at stopping teams on 3rd and 4th down, we would have been above average (probably well above average) in points allowed.

Points allowed is really, really important. Because point differential is how you figure out who won the game.

 

Looking forward to watching this defense this year and all the ups and downs

 

What, I, and a few have been trying to tell you is that when You look up Defense as You click each category it shows a different list of who is on top, and most of these places have yards given up ,queued up 1st. So when you first look at it that is what You are seeing.
No freaking way is a team giving up more points, having less sacks, and less turnovers a better D, I don't care how anyone tries spinning it.

 

Why do you keep bringing up something I didn't bring up. Please go back to the post You quoted, and tell me when, or where I said that.
I don't give a f**k how people want to spin it. Points, Turnovers, and sacks are the big 3 in D.
Not yards.
You appear to have Your own things going here because this was about him saying the Raiders had a better Defense then us, and nothing you just mentioned was even brought up in this discussion. Like I said go to the exact post You quoted, and show me where I said, or the post of his I quoted that said anything of what you are talking about.

 

Leaving the field early by forcing a punt is very important and underrated for a defense....This is better for a offense to take the ball at the 30 vs at the 10 yards line,so yes the yards matter

 

And only I and Nicolas Copernicus understood the earth revolved around the sun

But dang if we aren’t correct



And to correct your guilt by association there definitely is an overall ranking

It’s based on points allowed

 

I guess the 1991 eagles defense were only the 5th best defense in 1991

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/phi/1991.htm

 

turnovers are a natural by product of a good defense. Almost all turnovers are forced by the defense imo.

I think our defense was ok last year, but not good enough to stop the better offenses.

 

You didn’t answer his question

You just moved the goal posts

Again

 

Sometimes a defense have a lot of turnovers because the offense is great and you often have a big lead....Each stats need context.

Last year the steelers were much better in december but before that,it was brutal

 

You said:

"truthfully which is more important on D for winning... the less yards the Raiders gave up, or the less points, more sacks, and more turnovers that we got."

I answered this question. But more generally than just Raiders vs. Steelers.

I'm glad that our D gave up fewer ppg than the Raiders. I would have expected that the difference would have been bigger than ~ 2ppg.

 

That kind makes the point, you cant consistently just shut teams down, so you need to turn the ball over. The problem with having an offense that cant stay on the field is you have no margin for error on defense. If you keep giving opposing teams the ball eventually they are going to make you pay.

I think they were good enough,but with any defense you have to have an offense that can sustain drives, because the more you put the defense on the field the more likely they are to fail, especially as the game goes on.